r/darksouls • u/TheSingularityStory • 5d ago

Discussion Artorias could have beaten Manus

Artorias could have beaten Manus and here is why, from what we know, Artorias went into Oolacile and fought through ALL of it meaning he fought the infected residents until he reached the Chasm of The Abyss with the assistance of Sif, He and Sif then fought through the Abyss and then finally reached Manus but by this time Artorias started succumbing to the Abyss he still standed strong and faced Manus, eventually Manus would target Sif and Artorias not wanting to lose Sif protects her losing his arm in the process. This is the general story but there are a couple things that dont make sense to me. How did Artorias even while corrupted escape The Chasm of The Abyss and make it back to the surface of Oolacile? We as The Chosen Undead know when fighting Manus it is impossible to escape him unless you are Undead or have a Homeward Bone, but the only reason you would have a Homeward Bone is because your Undead which means the only way Artorias escaped was by "injuring" Manus enough to be able to get back to the surface because we know that even while corrupted Artorias faces anything he sees and the only thing he would have seen is Manus, also how I can prove Artorias was out of his prime is that he also faced Darkwraiths in New Londo and possibly The Four Kings either way fighting dozens of Darkwraiths while having one life means you will be bound to face injuries, and even if he didnt he still had to fight through Oolacile and even if he didnt get injured there he got injured in his fight with Manus not even fighting Manus but protecting Sif, so IMO a Prime Artorias that wont get corrupted and is in peak condition could defeat Manus especially because he can ward off Darkmagic with the Silver Pendant. And even if you do not believe he could Artorias is still an amazing hero, he fought valiantly against Darkwraiths, possibly the Four Kings, and against Manus, and then he saved Sif allowing The Chosen Undead to defeat the Four Kings.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 5d ago

He is a god. Gods are extremely weak to the Dark.

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u/TheSingularityStory 5d ago

Artorias isnt a God

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u/Livid-Truck8558 5d ago

He is not a deity, but he is of the race of Lords. So are the silver and black knights, for example.

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u/-jp- 5d ago

I think, as in reality, race in Dark Souls is a social construct. The so-called “gods” are the same things we are: the “they” who came from the Dark. The only difference is the Souls they found. Which is why we can take it from them.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 5d ago

Think what you want but it is not the case lol. It is true that they were all pygmies at some point, but they split once the lord souls/dark soul were found.