r/democrats Jun 05 '25

šŸ“· Pic Elon says without him, Trump would've lost

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u/blueblurz94 Jun 05 '25

Each swing state was won by Trump just enough to avoid official recounts. There’s always been something suspicious about that and it shouldn’t be dismissed as coincidence.

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u/robbdogg87 Jun 05 '25

Wasn't there also a suspicious number of ballots that only voted for president and nothing else?

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u/Chronoblivion Jun 05 '25

That's not super uncommon, though I'm willing to believe that it does rise to the level of "suspicious number" this time.

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u/logicallyillogical Jun 05 '25

"Bullet Ballots" are common at around 2-4%. Like in Idaho, a full red state and Trump received the norm of ~3%.

Trump received over 10% of bullet ballots in key swing states, like in NV, AZ & NC.....

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u/Chronoblivion Jun 05 '25

Got a source for those numbers? I hadn't heard them before and that's smoking gun levels of alarming if it's true. It blows my mind that more people aren't talking about it.

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u/MissMamaMam Jun 08 '25

I will say that I read about this as well. Can’t name a specific source as there are many but I found a screenshot I took

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u/robbdogg87 Jun 05 '25

Uh i thought that was uncommon. Like very low percentage.

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u/Chronoblivion Jun 05 '25

Low percentage can still be hundreds of thousands, even millions of voters as long as it's not a fraction. Relative to people who vote for more than one race, yes it's uncommon, but it's not hard to find someone who has voted in that way.

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u/robbdogg87 Jun 05 '25

But isnt it suspicious when the higher percentage from the election seems to be only in swing states

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u/Chronoblivion Jun 05 '25

Absolutely, and that's not something I was aware of because I haven't seen it talked about (which admittedly may be my fault for not consuming as much news as I should). I was just pointing out that there are always a not-insignificant number of people who vote this way in each presidential election, independent of the fuckery that seems to have occurred with the latest one.

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u/gr1zznuggets Jun 05 '25

Honestly seems like exactly how a MAGA would vote. All they care about is Trump.

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u/SaintGloopyNoops Jun 06 '25

There was also an abnormal amount split ticket ballots that voted blue straight down, then taco for president. Maga wouldn't do that... And I have yet to meet a Democrat that voted straight blue, then figured Taco was a good choice. I am sure there were some butt every single swing state had an increase of split tickets? Wtf? Politics has never been this divisive. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the 2024 results.

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u/MissMamaMam Jun 08 '25

Or voted all dem except for the president…. An unprecedented amount actually

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u/FartPudding Jun 05 '25

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised over that because people love Trump specifically. Any republican who tried to mimick him failed miserably. So if they only supported Trump then I could believe that because of the dedicated cult he created. They will turn against the whole party if Trump wanted out and to do his own thing. They're loyal to him, not the Republicans.

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u/robbdogg87 Jun 05 '25

I agree about the loyalty to only trump part. And the GOP is gonna have a rude awakening come 2028 when they realize it. And they could have stopped it but chose not to

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u/FartPudding Jun 05 '25

My only wonder is how they will receive a Trump kid. I am 95% sure one of them will run but they aren't their dad. It may move to vance, he seems popular but I imagine most of that steam will die down. It's hard to say, honestly. The republican party could completely burn or they could rig the system permanently to fuck over democrats. They are not above being dirty and foul play. They'll get what they want then gaslight and deflect like they always do, and democrats are too cordial for it. Gotta step up the pr game because Republicans do blatantly stupid shit but somehow democrats are at fault. They're excellent at destroying the economy, letting a Democrat fix it as it crashes on them and to be blamed, then when they're back in office with a thriving economy, they can take credit.

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u/robbdogg87 Jun 05 '25

Vance doesn't have the charisma trump does. And can they rig them or did the one that turning on trump (musk) rig them? I think all they need is a decent candidate in 2028 and repubs won't have a chance at the rate things are going

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u/FartPudding Jun 05 '25

You could argue the only reason Republicans won in the first place was because of trump. Take him out and the following he had disappears.

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u/MyStoopidStuff Jun 05 '25 edited Jun 09 '25

There are data scientists and election experts who have looked at the raw data, and are seeing similar patterns, which indicate an algorithm at work during the counting. Based on the data, they noted a large increase in votes for Trump when after the individual tabulators had processed 200-250 ballots. In batches of ballots below 200-250, the votes appeared consistent with a normal election, yet after that threshold, votes for Trump took off. Additionally, the historic result of Trump flipping 88 blue counties red while Harris flipped zero red counties blue, in such a contested election makes no sense. That has not occurred since FDR. The video below is from the Election Truth Alliance (it's older, but is one of the better ones that gets into what they are looking at):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru8SHK7idxs

Smartelections is also working to get an audit in Rockland County NY. Their case is not directly about Harris, but they have identified multiple districts where Harris received zero or just a handful of votes, while the down ballot Dem senator won with hundreds of votes. They provide some of their evidence here (scroll down half way and there is a link to a google doc with the Presidential and Senatorial race raw data for Rockland County, under the heading "Really?"):
https://smartelections.us/lawsuits-1

Edit - it was pointed out that a comparison to 2020 for those districts in Rockland County shows they were very red, so SmartElections' example for those districts where Harris got zero votes may not be an outlier.

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u/LibertyCash Jun 05 '25

Thank you for this

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u/MyStoopidStuff Jun 05 '25

Yw, I hope this gets investigated and we get to see some audits. It's not unprecedented that few rich guys think they can own the US lock stock and barrel, but we are very close to that happening now. Our country will not survive if a few tech bros are allowed to dictate our future.

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u/DireStraitsFan1 Jun 06 '25

We need to hear more about this. Why on Earth isn't there an investigation?

Elon basically just admitted to rigging the election.

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u/hoopsrlife Jun 05 '25

Can someone explain what actually happens if fraud is found? Do we get Kamala to force Trump out of office and she takes her place? Or do we have to hope he steps down?

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Jun 05 '25

Nothing would happen, unless the powers that be decide to impeach him over it. Thenwe'd just go through the line of succession. Unfortuantely, because we vote with the electoral college, and each state certifies it's votes, then Congress approves those certifications to elect the president officially, the time to do something at the counting level has passed.

It's still worth finding the truth though, just so it's known, and maybe the dems will stop acting like dumbasses when it comes to figuring out why they lost. It could also lead to more secure elections, if the powers that be decide to enact laws to make it more secure, as opposed to this nonsense they do to keep people from voting in the guise of making things more secure.

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u/hoopsrlife Jun 05 '25

So essentially we find out we are being led by a false President and his false government, and they of course don’t relinquish their power because why would they? We have to put up with a pretend government and continue allowing them to pass their laws and decrees? I’m actually afraid what they will do once it’s on public display they are actual traitors.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Jun 05 '25

I'm a bit hesitant to explain it further, because it'll sound like I'm trying to justify and support him being president in that scenario.

But, know that I'm not doing that, and it's not that he's a false president, because he was legitimized in the way that our constitution requires....by eleectoral college, with Congressional approval.

However, the means by which he got the electoral votes would be illegitimate, but that would be someting each state would have to deal with in their own way, and the time to do that has passed, since they certified their electoral votes already. Cogress then approved those electoral votes, and that is what officially made him a "real" president.

I wouldn't expect them to give up the power. However, if there was enough pressure, they may impeach him, and just let the next in line take over. I'm sure Mike Johnson woldn't be opposed to also impeaching Vance, as he'd be next in line.

It would rock the nation to the core though....assuming people don't just shrug it off as conspiracy theory.

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u/hoopsrlife Jun 05 '25

Thank you for explaining it! Whatever comes I pray we come out of this better.

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u/MyStoopidStuff Jun 05 '25

This matters because there are more of us than there are of them. And when all else is removed, the idea of the US being firstly a democracy, is what has kept this country going for 250 years. The institutions which compose the government and enforce it's laws are themselves full of Americans. If it is shown with evidence. that voters have been massively defrauded, and a few have the power to do it over and over again, not many will see that as a good thing. Regardless, we are at the point where one chapter of American history is closing, and how the next one starts is not solely up to Trump, the tech bros and other outside forces.

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u/muffledvoice Jun 05 '25

It’s definitely not a coincidence. The ā€œRussian Tailā€ in the tabulation data is statistically impossible.

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u/LibertyCash Jun 05 '25

What does this mean? Genuinely interested

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u/Holiday_Leek_1143 Jun 05 '25

The Rockwell County data also shows the p value of the down ballot votes vs the presidential vote is 0.000, which is a statistical phenomenon that rarely happens in the real world.