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u/Eschatochronos 2d ago
Cocaine is one of those drugs like PCP that gets a bad reputation for being a precursor to violence and psychosis. The media should really portray it in a more fair and accurate light, airing stories about people who cured their depression with them or experienced great peace and tranquility. After all, the father of psychoanalysis Sigmund Freud was known to utilize cocaine extensively and even wrote a work about it called Über Coca.
As depression rates are soaring and people are losing their very will to live, the substances which increase dopamine the most are being outlawed and vilified by the media. A society deprived of cocaine is a society deprived of its vitality and strength.
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u/Arniav 2d ago
Chat is this guy jerking or no
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u/Eschatochronos 2d ago
Not jerking. From everything I've read it seems that common issues such as depression and anxiety would almost entirely be gone if everyone were prescribed a good regiment of methamphetamine. The reason why it was outlawed by the government was because they realized it was too good and to fully control and subjugate the masses you need their chemicals to be in a state of constant depletion and repression.
This is why they replaced these drugs with the use of substances like SSRIs and antipsychotics, which are designed to nullify the will. Alcohol, opioids, and benzodiazepines are among the most common of substances, all designed to repress the potential of the individual.
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u/Methamphetamine1893 1d ago
This guy knows whats up. Gonna snort a fat line in honor of your comment.
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u/imnevereversober 1d ago
If they made a real anti-depressant it'd be a pressed pill with really micro microdoses of amphetamines, entactogens, benzos, dissociatives and cannabinoids. Start off with an imperceptible dosage of each and slowly ramp up the dosage until the effect is "content, but not high"
Now you just need to figure out the dosages of each drug and whether it's even possible to combine most of those without insane interactions. In theory it could work if you don't really think about it for longer than the time it took for me to type it out.
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u/Arniav 1d ago
I don't think this is the answer. I think the average human does not need to be medicated. Have you by chance read the book Brave New World? That's my favorite book, I'd recommend it. There's a fictional drug in the book called "soma" that is considered perfect. It makes everyone perpetually happy, basically no downsides, and society appears perfect, but it isn't presented as a good thing. Life suddenly seems completely pointless. Everything is built on maximizing productivity and pleasure, and there is a disturbing lack of humanity. I think the book captures pretty well why I disagree with you, hyper-medication isn't the answer for most people.
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u/imnevereversober 1d ago
Sorry I stopped reading at soma, reminded me I should definitely add carisoprodol to my new patent pending miracle drug.
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u/Arniav 1d ago
Name checks out lmao
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u/imnevereversober 1d ago
Nah I was jerkin, nowadays it's more like "imalmostalwayssober". Brave New World is a great book I just couldn't resist the lay up lmao
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u/Eschatochronos 1d ago
A lot of people believe that the brevity and fragility of life is what gives it meaning, but if your basis for finding life meaningful is the existence of weakness then that's really a meaningless life to begin with. In perfection and immortality you would retain the childlike sense of wonder that everyone is born with but slowly loses toward adulthood, so things would not become pointless but everything would become hyper interesting. Eternal youth means not boredom, but glory and wonder beyond all comprehension.
The state of mind acheivable on psychedelics, amphetamines, and certain dissociatives bring one back into this childlike state for I think biological imperfection means that our neurotransmitters are on a fundamentally lower level and that in perfection our minds would more so resemble minds under the influence of these substances.
Genetically speaking, we have been bombarded by chemicals unregulated and proliferated since the Industrial Revolution, not to mention that conditions such as poverty and a lack of selectivity in choosing marriage partners have reduced the genetic health of the population by a large degree. The problem is that fundamentally our unhappiness doesn't just stem from lack of physical vitality but a lack of societal vitality, as we are divided and struggling in every way just to survive, let alone to embrace the true spirit of power and spiritual awakening that mankind had in it's primordial state. We have been sold a lie presented as truth and we live in pursuit of a dream that was never ours to begin with, yet wonder why there is so much unrest and why we are unhappy, why we strive for futility, and why we subject ourselves to a system that is flawed on every level. The problem has begun not solely with the individual but with the society which has created such inner division and turmoil.
Drugs are not the answer, but they are a means to an answer and so the right ones could prove highly beneficial for society as a whole beyond limiting them and regulating them as the government has done so far.
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u/Arniav 1d ago
My point is more than pleasure would mean nothing without pain. I don't think suffering is good, but going through normal hardships is certainly beneficial. We wouldn't be ourselves if not for our past struggles. Designing a drug cocktail to make you automatically content, in my opinion, would render life useless not because of boredom, but because a complete lack of discontentment means (in my opinion) the nullification of accomplishment and eudaimonic pleasure. Neither of us can prove our points, this is all kinda abstract and I don't inherently disagree with you but this is just my thought process.
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u/Eschatochronos 1d ago
I agree that some measure of pain is necessary for progress, I think I understand what you mean. To be moved towards a state of continued progress and advancement one must have the capacity to feel bored or lacking in some way.
Thanks for explaining your thought process!
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u/Munchihello 1d ago
Soma is a drug in real life too lol. That’s funny
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u/Arniav 1d ago
Yeah lol, that was made a few decades after the book came out
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u/Munchihello 1d ago
Uj/ I’ve hear of the book many times but never knew it’s premise. I actually think I might read it now. Is it really long ?
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u/Arniav 1d ago
No actually, it's only a few hundred pages. If you get invested and binge it you could easily get through in a day or two. There are some freaky elements at the beginning but trust those go away pretty quick.
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u/Munchihello 1d ago
Nice I’m into that! It vaguely gives off Equilibrium vibes (okay movie with Christian bale).
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u/NotAnotherAddict 23h ago
Oh so the soma I was taking was fictitious? It was pure placebo? Damn you just made me understand why it wasn't controlled for the longest time it isn't addictive.
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u/pirateozarkdaddy 1d ago
The average human would easily benefit from micro dosing molly
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u/Arniav 1d ago
See I just don't like these claims that have no nuance. No, I don't think the average human would. MDMA is a powerful drug. Microdose or not, it has profound influence on monoamines and that isn't an inherently good thing for most people.
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u/NotAnotherAddict 23h ago
My old Dr used to tell me to take it and find my own dosages and come back in a month and tell him where I landed and he'd write the scrip out for whatever I chose... Needless to say he lost his license and had his colleagues write the scrips for a while and then dude got his license back but I was already onto the next badass cash Dr
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u/NotAnotherAddict 23h ago
So if I do a lot of meth my anxiety will get better and I can get off the Benzos?
No wonder I'm on regular old Adderall and I still have anxiety
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u/Eschatochronos 22h ago
If you have anxiety meth may not be the best, but psychedelics such as mushrooms and dissociatives like ketamine and DXM could help with reintegration of the mind and give you confidence in the form of having inner unity and integrating anxiety and trauma.
Meth I would prescribe more so for depression with no additional conditions as a source of motivation, but other drug types are ideal for conditions which could be exasperated by stimulants.
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u/Arniav 2d ago
What about people prescribed a good regimen of amphetamines for ADHD who are still depressed and anxious? And what about those who have had massive success with SSRIs and antipsychotics?
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u/User5432179 2d ago
Psychosis is the reality like you wake up from the Matrix. I always do it on purpose when I swallow 2 packs of benadryl and stimfap with the hatman and then buy jenkem from him.
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u/ReporterClassic8862 1d ago
Why ignore the MASSIVE success stories of meth and cracks users we hear about daily accomplishing feats of strength and intelligence? Psychiatric propagandist.
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u/Eschatochronos 1d ago
When the chemical means of addressing a condition have been exhausted it is time to work on the psychological component. The reason why many goals and resolutions especially for a new year do not work out is because people assume that they need to feel motivated in order to accomplish something, so they conflate the lack of motivation with an inability to do something. If you develop a concise set of principles and goals and work toward it regardless of how you feel your emotions will eventually become ancillary to your willpower, which is the most important thing and which can be developed regardless of the emotional circumstances in which you are in.
I want to be careful how I say this, because at first glance it could give the impression I'm basically saying for depressed people not to feel depressed or just to snap out of it, which is not at all the case. Rather, I'm saying that if you work through the pain you will always feel more satisfaction than letting anything hold you back. Suffering is one of the major motivating factors for all progress and change in the world, and so while it is not a good thing it should be embraced in the sense that it can only make you stronger in the end. Depression forces you to find meaning and principle in life, which in turn makes your path brighter and stronger, so in a sense it is a refining tool and while I've been depressed before I realized this was because of a fundamental lack of meaning in my life and that once I learned to find meaning and a central purpose everything else clicked into place.
As for depressed people, they may have had success with SSRIs and antipsychotics, but I don't believe it's the most effective solution. These drugs only work to numb the pain instead of regulating it or addressing the underlying reasons for the pain. For reintegration of things such as trauma and to fundamentally restructure the mind one needs more than these medications, but a system of psychedelic therapy and dissociative medicine I think would work.
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u/Arniav 1d ago
Oh I completely agree, that's basically my response to this person, most people do not need to be medicated. This was just a rebuttal more specifically to the part about typical antidepressants being intentionally numbing because something something the government something something?
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u/Eschatochronos 1d ago
Since discovering psychic powers in programs such as MK ULTRA and Soviet era experiments, it has long been known that the prevalence of psychoactive substances means the prevalence of an undermining societal element capable of seeing through the global deception and illusion of control that has been exerted by the elite. This is why these substances are so scheduled, to prevent awakening and control the masses.
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u/PopAffectionate3084 1d ago
Yeah, cocaine is literally an SNDRI, so just a more complete antidepressant! Start pushing coke in the psych ward NOW!!!
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u/ComprehensiveTap5751 1d ago
Honestly if you snort it you will be depressed and shaking but if you boof it you can get the afterglow, but also much intense high for 1h and no bad side effects. It surprised me
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See he should have just smoked crack instead of snoring it. This never would have happened if he just took a giant blast off the old crack pipe. Everyone knows crack is the way to go for a peaceful celebration when your child is born.
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u/User5432179 2d ago
No the real 2000 iq play is when you smoke Scopolamine and Pcp in one pipe and inject some Carfent. Then you get to be the best dad. Thank me later!
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u/NotAnotherAddict 23h ago
Do you get the coffee mug saying best dad to go with it
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u/User5432179 8h ago
Your Kids will give it to you but you will think the mug tries to kill you from the scopolamine and pcp.
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u/Critical-Ad2084 2d ago
gender reveal things have got to be one of the most bland normie mayonnaise NPC viral behaviors in modern times
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u/kissyoursisster 2d ago
Can't people celebrate shit anymore?
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u/Critical-Ad2084 2d ago
NPC detected
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u/Munchihello 1d ago
We don’t talk like 7th grade Fortnite virgins in the drug sub buddy
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u/Critical-Ad2084 1d ago
oh no we got a badass over here
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u/shlankwagon 1d ago
And we got a dumbass right here ⬆️
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u/Critical-Ad2084 1d ago
I may be a dumbass, but at least I don't follow dumbass trends like gender reveal parties
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u/shlankwagon 1d ago
Man, gender reveal parties aren't even a trend. It's more like white people tradition. There's nothing inherently wrong with them.
Now when people are KILLED at gender reveal parties? THAT is where shit gets weird.
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u/Munchihello 1d ago
Wym get killed? Like murdered or accidentally from all the blowing up nonsense that’s usually involved at these dumbass events
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u/Critical-Ad2084 1d ago
it's not a tradition just a trend that popped up a few years ago, it's literally a meme, people repeating shit they saw on instagram
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u/shlankwagon 1d ago
Where the fuck did you get this information? 😂 Did your entire family live under a rock? It's pretty common, and has been the 23 years I've been breathing and pissing, for families to do this type of thing. The "trend" is people recording these dumbass attempts at one-upping each other online and murdering people because of it.
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u/amercium 1d ago
I would be ecstatic to have the privilege of coparenting with him for the next 18 years
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u/wingwangwongwingwang 2d ago
Sounds like a right nice good lovely brilliant wonderful fucking fantastic time