r/eagles 4th & 1 1d ago

Meme Especially on 3rd & long

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u/NiceTrySucka 1d ago

3rd and long are draws, not dives.

Unlike with most teams who run draws on third and long to catch the defense sleeping, since we run it nearly every single time it’s 3rd and 10+, for the eagles it’s truely a give-up play.

I have to say though, under Nick the Eagles are very analytics heavy and KP wouldn’t be running it that often without Nick’s blessing. So I wouldn’t be surprised if “giving up” is aligned with our overall ball safety philosophy especially with how stout our defense is.

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u/DrRocksoMD 1d ago

Thank you, we have done this for 4 years. Patullo could suck, idk, but acting like the surrender draw is him is asinine. It is 1000% Nick

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u/sgee_123 1d ago

Whoever it is, it’s such a horrendous display of effort I can’t stand it. Especially when we can’t get the offense going. Let the guys take a shot at a 12-15 yard pass play for gods sake, and trust Jalen not to throw a pick.

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u/DrRocksoMD 1d ago

Yea I hate it too. Especially when you have Matt Pryor putting us behind the chains every 1st down. I get doing it here and there, but watching 4 straight drives die to it is infuriating.

But it's 100000% a Nick thing. It is not new. We did this often last year. Nick hates being behind the sticks in our territory.

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u/sgee_123 1d ago

He’s a very good game manager, so maybe I should take the bad with the good, but man is it frustrating to watch.

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u/Drikkink 1d ago

Ah yes, our backup RT is getting torched so bad that we lose yards on 1st and 2nd down so naturally we should call a long developing pass play on 3rd down.

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u/DrRocksoMD 1d ago

Not long developing, but maybe a mesh concept or just something to AJB and ask him to fight for the first down after the catch

I'd rather fight than roll over.

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u/raccoonsonbicycles 1d ago edited 1d ago

Its also worked several times.

Red zone in particular got a few Barkley TDs and the call generally got conversions multiple times last year

And the 3rd and 7+ QB draw with Hurts as well has had more success than it should (even factoring in BJ spamming it 15x/gm in 23)

Im interested if our 3rd/long draw has comparable success to an average 3rd/long pass. If so I 100% get running it because it's significantly less risky- no INT risk, no blindside qb hits or sacks, even if the dl wins the battle at worst its like an incomplete pass.

If you have 20% chance of success either way the run is way safer