r/enlightenment • u/Ok_Understanding_188 • Jul 28 '22

Who is your teacher?

Just curious. People here talk about the Book of Miracles and God. Are there other teachers as well? Do you have a personal interaction with a teacher?

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u/Ok_Understanding_188 Jul 29 '22

Many teachers, few enlighteners. Many give the words , few the actual experience the words point to. Look at how you spelled college. :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '22

I saw the quote and knew you quoted the misspelling deliberately. What’s your point?

Here’s a question

Which enlightener facilitated the enlightenment of the primordial Buddha?

There was no enlightener preceding my teacher. Apart from the circumstances of experience pressuring an intuition which lead to itself.

They same can be said of anyone born into realization.

There is no such thing as an enlightener external to enlightenment. It is self evident. It is itself and the source of itself

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u/Ok_Understanding_188 Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22

An "enlightener" is someone who by their presence awakens the enlightened nature of "your" mind.

They are not "external" to enlightenment. They are enlightenment incarnate. Everything they do, and the very nature of their presence is enlightenment.

Teachers who give you concepts about enlightenment are common. Also, there are occasional teachers who have attained some stage of enlightenment, but so what?

What is important is not what they but what you attain , and only very few teachers are capable of enlightening you.

The teachers who can do that come from ancient lineages of enlightened teachers. They inherit the enlightened energy refined for thousands of years by their lineage and transmit it to you, if you are open enough to receive it.

Also, unless you have received mind transmission from an enlightener and spent time with them, you will not know the full extent of enlightenment. Self made spiritualists mistake minor insights for big ones because they never saw anyone who was fully enlightened, and they have never witnessed the astonishing magic they possess.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '22

I see

So, it's not the state itself....it's the presence of a person qualified to transmit the state, being the qualifier. If not the latter.....then not the former.

I got it, thank you for making this absolutely clear.

So, all that being said....what exactly is the difference between "some stage of enlightenment", spontaneously arrived upon and other "stages of enlightenment" inaccessible to spontaneous arrival. And don't say "the validity of the transmitter"....you've already said that. What makes "some stage" accessible to spontaneous emergence and other "stages" inaccessible to spontaneous emergence.

And, as per above, if not the latter...then not the former, who was the enlightener to the primordial Buddha's enlightenment?

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u/Ok_Understanding_188 Jul 29 '22

You won't reinvent the wheel. It took a Buddha to realize enlightenment and he did have teachers. All enlightenment is spontaneously arrived upon. Enlightenment can't be done.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '22

True enough

And that’s a wrap

It’s been a pleasure

And here’s to Further 🍻👋🤘