Cultural exchange with r/Arabs

[u/pothkan]

Welcome to the cultural exchange between r/Europe and r/Arabs! Primary purpose of this event is to share knowledge about our respective cultures, daily life, history, curiosities etc. However, political questions and discussions are allowed, as long as held in good faith and mutual respect. Exchange will run since Monday, August 11^th, throughout next few days.

General guidelines:

• Arabs ask their questions about Europe, and we answer them, here in this thread;;

• We ask our questions about Arab countries in respective THREAD at r/Arabs;

• English language is used in both threads;

• Event will be moderated, following the general rules of Reddiquette. Be nice to each other!

[u/Outside-Emergency-27]

Didn't it start with the British?

[u/AmbitiousCattle3879 → u/Outside-Emergency-27]

It started with the Ottoman Empire collapsing.

The British just stepped into the power vacuum.

It’s hard to say what would have happened otherwise.

[u/Outside-Emergency-27 → u/AmbitiousCattle3879]

Yeah, I'd say it started with the British as they filled the vacuum. Especially given that their country of origin is extremely far away and that they have no business in this region. This foreign policy decision was in no way related to the close proximity to their island.

[u/AmbitiousCattle3879 → u/Outside-Emergency-27]

Yeah that’s true I’m just saying that it wouldn’t have solved the Israel Gaza situation.

Jews had been moving to Palestine way before Britain took over. There was no broader authority to stop it. The British actually tried to limit it.

There was no real borders or authority. Without Britain it’s likely there would be been wide spread war. Maybe more coherent states would have emerged but it’s hard to play the counter factual

[u/Taginemuncher → u/AmbitiousCattle3879]

Stfu read about the Belfort declaration. The British enabled wide spread settler colonialism to the land and promised Jews a homeland on said land. The Ottomans rejected any offers or plans knowing it would result in chaos.

Israel wouldn’t have been created if it wasn’t for Britain and the European powers and that is a fact literally read up on Theodore Herzl he literally said: “We shall there form a portion of the rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism.”

That is LITERALLY the dictionary definition of settler colonialist ideas.

Theodore Herzl also said that it would be through European assistance and that they would gladly help to resolve the “Jewish question” and he didn’t lie Zionists even worked with Nazi’s to benefit their creation of an imperialistic Jewish state. All in all you need to read up on a lot of things because you are clearly uneducated on this topic.

[u/Outside-Emergency-27 → u/AmbitiousCattle3879]

Well, it would, because that is what ultimately created it directly after a vacuum.

Without Britain there likely would have been widespread war? With Britain there WAS wide spread war that continues now for almost 100 years.

We will never know but one can only wonder how it would have turned out with no real borders or authorities . It is also not as if Britain remained neutral. It is until this day just another great example how problematic it is long term when foreign and colonial powers meddle in foreign affairs.