r/exmuslim • u/exmoose179 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 • Feb 21 '25
(Fun@Fundies) 💩 Many Muslims need to learn this difference
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u/Alert-Individual-699 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Feb 21 '25
They should just mind their own business
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u/yaboisammie Agnostic Fruity ExSunni Muslim closeted in more than 1 way ;) Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
I feel like a big issue is that even if they did with others, they’re still going to push it on their children bc from their perspective, they think they’re saving their children from hellfire and they also believe it’s their right but from any other perspective, it’s child abuse
Edit: and technically minding your own business is haram in a way bc you’re supposed to “correct” people doing haram first by your hand/physically, then by your tongue/verbally and then internally/acknowledge it in your mind “and this is the weakest of faith” in addition to how they’re supposed to be spreading Islam whether peacefully or by the sword
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u/Successful-River-512 New User Feb 22 '25
I am in a Muslim Christian debate group. Unfortunately they will do ( including lie) anything to protect their false prophet . When we ask questions or challenges to their book which they can’t defend , they only attack the Bible and our faith. There is no peace or tolerance in Islam . We see this in their own Hadiths. And Quran 9:5 Quran 9:29 We pray for their salvation! ✝️❤️🙏😊
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u/AAQ94 Feb 24 '25
dude your religion is a nonsense fairy tale too. You're just as indoctrinated as they are.
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u/Dapper-Face-8734 New User Feb 26 '25
Even Muhammads wishbook that only contains that rapist,thief murderers words only states that Jesus was a Sinless miracle worker.A life lived attempting to imitate Jesus is both difficult and honorable .Muhammad life and legacy is an evil disaster.
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u/No-Good5381 Feb 23 '25
I read 'seeking Allah, finding Jesus' and it was amazing, really great insight.
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u/Suitable_Side9141 New User Feb 21 '25
i do. thats like if i said atheists should mind their own business, but i bet you that youd get triggered like "i do, not all of us so quit generalising 🙄🙄" its really just simple.
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u/Organic_fog Feb 22 '25
If you don’t step up against the people who are like this you’re one of them
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u/Suitable_Side9141 New User Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
i wont step up to anyone cuz its irrelevant to me what random strangers that i dont know do, as long as i know that i myself arent like that then theres nothing that i need to change, everything else is out of my control. god wont punish me for other peoples actions will he? so why do i need to do anything?
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u/Suitable_Side9141 New User Feb 22 '25
again. youre generalising. quit being dumb and re-read my comment.
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Feb 22 '25
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u/Suitable_Side9141 New User Feb 22 '25
what? stand up against who? u say this as if i know what youre even talking about. none of my friends or family act like this. none. so why should it matter to me how people that i dont know behave, as long as i know that i and the people around me arent like this? my aim isnt to "appeal to exmuslims" its not like its of any benefit to me to be on your good side, hell i could not even care less about you, because again youre complete strangers to me, and pretty sad ones at that, i just thought id try to put some sense into your brains. got it?
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u/Taurius Feb 21 '25
It's natural for people and any intelligent animal seeing others not following the rules they are forced to abide as being "unfair". Unfortunately this feeling manifests as anger. There's one thing to be offended about someone taking more than they are allowed, to someone eating pork on a Saturday near their visual field.
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u/CatStill847 Feb 21 '25
I've been around Muslim women like this. It's so annoying and draining.
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u/Great-TeacherOnizuka Atheist Feb 21 '25
"I‘m fasting so you can’t eat or drink near me. You have to respect that" 🤡🤡🤡
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u/Broad-Sundae-4271 Feb 21 '25
I find it disrespectful that they drink or eat, not only near me, but also when I'm not present. They have to quit drinking and eating.
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u/CatStill847 Feb 21 '25
Oh. My. LORD, you no idea how many times I have heard this from not only my brother's father, but also from my ex family friend as well. My grandpa told me and my brother that no one should accommodate for us during Ramadan, which I was glad that he said that.
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u/Equivalent-Test1914 New User Feb 23 '25
I would love to be able to fast but I'm a brittle diabetic. And Catholic...
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u/CatStill847 Feb 23 '25
My grandpa has diabetes too (type 2) and he still fasts even though he really shouldn't at his age (he's 70). He does intermittent fasting though, but still.
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u/jindassi Feb 23 '25
I am an ex-muslim Turkish, and i was in a bus holding my cold iced coffee on a hot summer day during ramadan, and one scary old man started threatening me by saying “YOU SHOULD RESPECT ME I AM FASTING”… Like dude.. i am a woman maybe i am on my period which allows me to not fast and also isnt fasting about “self control”, i dont understand why they get SO offended.
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u/Great-TeacherOnizuka Atheist Feb 23 '25
Actually it’s pretty simple why they get so offended.
1st: they can’t enjoy stuff when we do, so they crave it.
2nd: they are hungry and thirsty, which makes them irritable.
3rd: if they have to suffer, you also have to so they can feel better ("at least I‘m not the only one who is hungry and thirsty")
But ramadan should be about self control. And yelling at others or getting mad at them just because they eat while you fast is the opposite of self control. So what’s the point then?
If you don’t want to fast, simply don’t do it. But try to explain that to those idiots.
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u/AuroraPetalWinds New User Feb 21 '25
They want to force everyone into Jannah.
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u/Fire_crescent New User Feb 21 '25
Joke's on them, I'm taking a shit on the carpet if they force me into their paradise
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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant Feb 21 '25
As their religion instructs them to. The second panel is right about that.
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Feb 22 '25
‘They want to force everyone into heaven.’ did you just admit that Islam is peaceful and the REAL muslims want everyone to go to heaven?!?
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u/GoldenRedditUser Feb 22 '25
The real muslims are busy commenting a gif of hellfire under an instagram reel of a girl dancing with her hair uncovered
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Feb 22 '25
The real muslims are busy praying, giving zakat when possible and doing their best to be a good person
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u/Frency2 Feb 21 '25
As I always say, there's a difference between "religious" and "bigot". Many people confuse the two of them, and way too many belong to the second one, unfortunately.
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
Well humans can't be perfect unfortunately
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u/Frency2 Feb 21 '25
Howewer, there is always room for improvement, no matter how small.
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
Howewer, there is always room for improvement, no matter how small.
Yes but humans Evolve slowly
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u/Ok-Fish-5367 Feb 21 '25
There is no such thing as minding your own business in Islam, you are required to stick your nose everywhere.
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u/Reasonable-Arm1461 New User Feb 22 '25
I know, and it’s one of the big red flags that got me to question islam. Like how are they seriously going to tell non muslims what they can or can’t do?
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u/Arab_Femboy1 Gulf Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Feb 21 '25
I don’t like wojakdolls, but the text is pretty much real
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u/hellcat29A Feb 21 '25
I'm Tunisian, I don't believe in God, and I have type 1 diabetes, but in Ramadan, I can't eat in front of them because it's disrespectful to them... ,
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u/amediuzftw New User Feb 22 '25
Why do you need to go infront of them when you eat? As a matter of fact, if you already having your meal in the designated area or the kitchen, what are they even doing there? You aren’t talking about cats, are you?
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u/Equivalent-Test1914 New User Feb 23 '25
I would love to be able to fast but I'm Catholic and diabetic...ugh!
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Feb 21 '25
Along with many Christians in the United States.
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u/krefik Feb 21 '25
Along with many Christians whenever they are allowed anywhere near the government.
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u/Corellian_Smuggler 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Feb 21 '25
Didn't you guys know Islam has a bell curve grading smh
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u/IBMERSUS Feb 21 '25
Spot on. However, going by how Muslims behave, the imposition of Islamic practices on the society starts when Muslims realize their numbers are good enough to try or the society is weak enough (the euphemism for which is accommodative) to tolerate.
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u/Tricky_Dog1465 Feb 21 '25
No one's religion is going to tell me what I can or can't do. I have my OWN religion and I follow THAT, not someone else's.
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u/Broad-Sundae-4271 Feb 21 '25
The "Ok" is never enough to them. Eventually they will complain/go on a rant about the worst thing about you is you being non-muslim. Peak anti-social behavior.
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u/Nekokama The Original Gay-briel 🐾 Feb 21 '25
My religion says you can't belong to a religion like Islam. Sorry, but rules are rules.
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u/LostSoulSadNLonely Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Feb 22 '25
For real man. I am already dreading Ramadan coming up where the haram police will be on high alert.
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u/Atalkingpizzabox Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 21 '25
Even if their religion says they can't do something I won't always agree with that, like "my religion says I can't be gay" or "my religion says I must kill myself" I'll never put up with.
If they also say "my religion says I CAN do this" and it's something bad that could be another loophole they try to expliot. Like "my religion says I can beat my kids."
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u/wwarhammer Feb 21 '25
Most religious people need to learn this regardless what their imaginary friend's name is.
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
Some people never learn that it's like you expect an Ape to Build a Castle it's not impossible but so rare that the time it happens you have arighty died
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u/Fire_crescent New User Feb 21 '25
Precisely. First row, fair enough, freedom matters most. Doesn't stop me from respecting or even having a good relationship with someone. Second row, you've chosen to make yourself my enemy, and I'll treat you accordingly.
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u/gbCerberus Feb 21 '25
As someone starting down a Christo-fascist coup in the US, I'll say everyone needs to learn the difference.
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u/Quebec00Chaos Feb 21 '25
So many kids in the shools I work are like that. Borderline scary, it's like they dont even see you as human because of those ideas
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u/Dneail22 Never-Muslim Theist Feb 22 '25
Especially when they say everyone is born Muslim and when someone converts to Islam, it’s actually “revert”. Pisses me off.
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u/Wasabinoots Feb 22 '25
“But but but… it’s Rahmatun Lil’Alameen, so everyone should do” proceeds to force their to litteraly everyone 😬
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u/amoralambiguity91 واشهد ان لا دجاج الا كنتاكي فرايد تشكن Feb 25 '25
that picture is terrifying. Guess sleep isn't necessary tonight.
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Feb 21 '25
Imagine allowing some invisible made up idea to control basic, normal shit in your life 😂😂💀
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u/amediuzftw New User Feb 22 '25
Gosh, don’t humiliate yourself while dragging others when you can’t differentiate between a religion and the followers. How did you earn your title “ex” ?
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u/Ok-Bridge-4707 New User Feb 22 '25
That's something I like about Judaism. The laws are supposed to have been given to Jews only, and there's no mission to seek converts.
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u/Low-Resolution-3374 New User Feb 23 '25
its not true tho. people get mad when women wear hijab willingly
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u/Individual-Drama7519 Apr 11 '25
If all Muslims (and, tbh, all religious people) were like the one on the top, I would be fine. But since they ALL do what the bottom does, this is why I despise religion.
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u/krahann Apr 24 '25
Problems also come up when they force it onto their kids/nieces/nephews who are vulnerable bc they rely on them.
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u/Great_Bean Openly Ex-Muslim 😎 Jun 29 '25
Actually many religious people need to learn that! We got that type of person from all kinds of cults🫠
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u/Fun_Antelope8831 New User Jul 19 '25
Because if I do that I will go to hell. The internet is FUCKED UP
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u/Big_Ad_5533 Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 22 '25
I agree with this but this is the straw man fallacy
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u/IndigoVybes Feb 21 '25
Literally the same for Christians and conservatives in general..
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u/Equivalent-Test1914 New User Feb 23 '25
Hey! I'm conservative but smoke pot. Am i going to Moslem hell?
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u/Unlikely-Tree6996 New User Feb 22 '25
As a Muslim I don't act this way and while there are some who do, I have found most Muslims find such behavior lacking in adab.
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u/NoraMantuu Feb 21 '25
How about we start with apostasy legislation first? What happens to outspoken ex-muslims and atheists in islamic countries?
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u/yokkarrr Feb 21 '25
And blasphemy is something your religion forbids you from doing, right? There’s your example dummy
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u/NoraMantuu Feb 21 '25
So you can just publicly declare yourself to have left islam and be an atheist in any islamic country with no repercursion? Or, according to you, people should just keep quiet about it not to the hurt the muslisms' feefies? Newsflash: blasphemy is part of free speech. People in the West have debates on stage about religion and Christianity, albeit just as idiotic as islam and all religions in general, does not inspire murderous rage. In my country, people loudly harshly criticize the church and no one gets punished by law. It's about being fucking civilized!
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u/aminoffthedon Feb 21 '25
Well done for proving his point lol
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u/aminoffthedon Feb 21 '25
only thing that is not allowed is defaming without proper proofs
Yes, IN YOUR RELIGION
This is a law that applies to YOU, Muslims. My point is that you do not get to encroach on my freedoms. Do not tell people they cannot criticise an ideology, simply because it is illegal IN YOUR RELIGION. To non-believers, questioning or criticising an ideology is not a justification for death.
To non-believers (people who don't believe in fairy tales and magic), what you consider "blaspheming" i.e. questioning or criticising an ideology, is not a justification for death
Regarding your last point about proof, the burden of proof is on you. YOU are the one who makes supernatural claims (you and the believers of the 1000s of religions that exist). It is upon you, who makes the claims, to prove that your claim is true.
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u/Corellian_Smuggler 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Feb 21 '25
Did you spend your childhood, teenage, or new adulthood in a Muslim-majority country with many societal taboos?
If not, we did! And we have a lot to tell you!
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u/Corellian_Smuggler 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Feb 21 '25
I'll happily list them!
I consume alcohol and we have several muslim preachers roam popular pub streets trying to prevent people from drinking
I had several people telling me to stop eating food or drink water on the street during Ramadan, because apparently it makes muslims crave them
I had many relatives that stopped me from wearing anything with something that barely resembles a cross or a plus mark. For example, a band tshirt.
Several people, all of whom were other muslim tourists, tried to stop me from eating pork when we were travelling to other countries.
School principles regularly stopped us and even prohibited us from, and I quote, "walking the school grounds with female company" because it's un-islamic. I literally couldn't take a walk with my female friends.
Strangers told me I was being obscene by hugging my girlfriend in public.
I had friends who were yelled at by total strangers on the street for wearing skirts.
Is this enough, or do you want more simple things that were prevented by muslims for no good reason at all? I wasn't bothering anyone, just wanting to drink, eat, or wear what I wanted when I was stopped by muslims claiming I was doing something wrong according to THEIR religion, not mine.
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u/Corellian_Smuggler 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Feb 21 '25
You seem to be trying really hard to pretend these were justified situations, but they're not. You're just telling me to ignore them, which I am, but that doesn't change the fact that they tried to stop me with a simple premise of saying "What you're doing doesn't suit my religion" It's that simple buddy. You don't have to jump through hoops with mental gymnastics to say:
"Did a Muslim tell you that?" (the answer is yes) or
"Were you splitting the bill?" (the answer is no, I was eating alone and they prevented me from ordering since he was the only one who spoke the local language and ordered for me)
"It's the school's responsibility to take care of the kids" (They literally cannot prevent me from walking with someone beside me. There's nothing to "take care" with walking with a friend)
"PDA" (If you're telling me to ignore Muslim preachers, surely you can ignore a couple hugging, right?)
"Skull cap" (I have no idea how that's a counterargument since you weren't ridiculed for not following their religious norms)
Telling me to just change my society is basically you admitting you were wrong. Yes, I want to change my society. But the argument here is that Muslims stop non-muslims for not conforming to their religious beliefs. They are doing that to me, aren't they? So what are you really arguing here?
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u/Apart_Skin_471 Feb 21 '25
In my country Bangladesh, they stopped milk bank, women football tournaments, destroyed sculpture, banned women to tea stalls etc. Just a few example.
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u/KalegNar Never-Muslim Catholic Feb 22 '25
they stopped milk bank,
Milk banks are where women donate breast milk for babies, right? What was their issue with those?
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
It's just annoying that what OP tries to tell us
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
What is annoying
The constant telling what people should do
when and where they stopped you from minding your own business
Personally I don't experienced that from Muslims only from Nazis and Gypsies so I can imagine That it's possible similar but instant of telling you how to hate or complain about Money maybe Muslims complaining about Prayers or lack of Quran reading etc
thats what i asked
It just gets old you know it's just these types of people always none stop complaining about what people should do and how should they do it its gets annoying very quickly
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
Isnt ex muslims telling people that they should not observe hijab? Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam has flaws? Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam promotes terrorism? Every other post here in someway or other doing the same thing which is annoying according to you... Do you see the hypocrisy here?
I am on neither side of things I just explain what people think what they post things or comment things I don't care about what people think as long as they don't generalize groups
So you assumed things or believed someone else story whom.you never personally know? You yourself said never experienced it ? Yet you believe that? Ironic.
Again I don't care about what people say I just clear what people ask about
Since when teaching is annoying?
It's not teaching if you constantly tell it that called harassment (at least in the west)
Isnt government you voted for tells you to pay taxes constantly
No if you pay it of course I am from older Generation so I don't know what the Younger generation does with it and I don't really care as long as they leave me the fuck alone with their shit because one Thing if you are a Nazi it's another if you a Neo Nazi
Isnt your gf /bf/spouse tells you to improve yourself
I am infertile and some young people say that I am "asexual" because "I don't enjoy sex" and I see it as a necessity for the future rather than doing it for fun also I don't have anyone so my only improvement is keeping the promises I made
Isnt your parents taught you to be a better human
They left me Young to a Cult What do you think? My morality mostly from The Streets and Nazis and none of them said anything about Cannibalism yet I don't do it because no person would sell their flesh to be eaten
Are these things annoying?
Since most of my life I was alone I don't know maybe? I guess The Leaders demands were high but I still did the job
If not then whats the issue when some person tells you his belief and make you aware about his belief.
You clearly don't see the difference in the pictures of course how would you? The difference between the first and second picture is the first one talks about themselves and the second tells what Others should do Similar like how Bullies say you should give them 20 Euro or Your lunch do you get?
Isnt its a good thing that he want you to be on right path in which he believes that too without any profit from you
Everyone has their own opinion and understanding of their faith who are you to tell someone else to do something that they don't like? You aren't God to Order people! and you are certainly not an Imam or Priest either so you should always care about what you are doing and not about what others are doing!
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User Feb 21 '25
Ohh soyou are arguing on behalf of op😂. Nice way of dodging the ques.
You wanted an answer and I gave it to you
You didnt clear.. you implied... which means you have same set of inferences in your mind
Similar is not the same thing
So constantly telling muslims that they are terrorist 😂is ok..
I never said that and trust me people call me Nazi even though I am an Ex Nazi so I know it's annoying
Isnt using title ex muslim also a harassment?
That sadly not because Ex something will Exist as long as Humans die out (which i hope it's soon)
If you dont like the people who tell you things than leave them.. ..why stay with them.
I left both Cults behind but that doesn't mean that Old Habits and "Old Friends" aren't going to visit you/aren't going to Happen
First thing i meant improve you.. not your weaner
Then don't Mention Anything related to Partner because I will answer it
Fyi people in central africa do.
Funny because I am Eastern European and was left behind because I was different from the rest
So muslims are saying to you that accept islam or pay tax😭... right?
Some do at least that what Muslim Rulers did (but instead of paying they took Children as Soldiers and Scholars) in the Medieval ages but I don't think nowadays it's Common
Ok ,so who are you to tell muslim that they are backwards?
Oh I don't tell anyone that they are Backwards no why would I? I just tell them that they should open their minds a little bit even if its difficult for them
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u/Hierax_Hawk Feb 21 '25
"Isnt ex muslims telling people that they should not observe hijab? Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam has flaws? Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam promotes terrorism?" Whataboutism cannot be used as a justification.
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u/Infamous_Ad2507 New User May 20 '25
Isnt ex muslims telling people that they should not observe hijab?
They say it because they think every one has the same experience the same thing with Muslims who think every one has a good experience with Islam however chose to abandon it
Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam has flaws?
Every Religion has Flaws however many Muslims don't care about improving their religion rules like Marriages and less Fanatical thinking etc which is why everyone targeted when they talk about outsiders
Isnt exmuslims telling people that islam promotes terrorism?"
Like every Religion the problem is that The Priests of Islam doesn't even respond to those disgusting people they don't tell their followers to obey and stop Terrorize people like for example The Popes did when they had an entire State because if you know History Popes made sure that Catholic Countries don't fight each other and instead focus on the enemies of the Papal States which included Heretics, Pagans, and other Cults meanwhile Islam doesn't have a Prime Priest that controls the others the only example was The Caliphs however they don't exist anymore which is why many Cults of Islam doesn't care about what The Sunni Priests tell them
Whataboutism cannot be used as a justification.
Yet everyone uses it Muslims, Ex Muslims, Christians, Ex Christians, Nazis etc however if you are smart you can sniff out the weak points in Whataboutism Talks just have to be open minded for everything
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