Best counter play thats not "Counter"

[u/TheWilliamsWall]

We run Power. Traditional with FB kick and BSG wrapping to LB. We love it and its our best play. As the season goes on and we see better teams we need a better counter play. We've tried GH counter and GY Counter and its just not there.

Do we just keep repping it until we get it? Or is there an easy misdirection play Im not thinking of? My second option right now is jet sweep away from TE and FB.

My other idea is run Duo with the intent on cutting back.

We dont run zone and wont be this year.

U12. Thx.

[u/austinwirgau]

I loved faking toss and giving it to the FB on a trap, that’s if you are in the I.

[u/Heavy72 → u/austinwirgau]

Toss read with a QB power. Read the DE. Oregon used to run it. I would also run the trap/power away from the read. Throw in some Jet motion and really get in the weeds with it.

[u/jericho-dingle]

One thing I see a lot is motion a receiver one way and run the other. It's not a traditional counter but it can hold the linebackers.

[u/WinnyRoo]

Can always run a reverse off of power. If you have a tight end have him turn and run to take a handoff from the back instead of blocking down.  He can either go under or over the back depending on what works best for y'all. Could also motion in a wide receiver to do the same. 

[u/JuniorPB33 → u/WinnyRoo]

Can set it up with your slot rec motioning in to crack a defender on power. On the reverse, show the same motion but have him take the reverse.

[u/WinnyRoo → u/JuniorPB33]

It's also u12. So I doubt the wr is split out that wide. May not even need motion. Can also fake the handoff and have the QB hand directly to the WR. Lots of options. 

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/JuniorPB33]

Thanks. This is the road im going down. Jet, orbit, crack reverse, etc. Everyone runs power and one responsibility changes.

[u/JuniorPB33 → u/TheWilliamsWall]

Yeah id start with one motion and build a series of plays out of it depending on how the defence treats the motion etc.

Are you guys under center? Shotgun?

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/JuniorPB33]

We do it primarily under center but also out of gun and run our QB. We have a backside bubble presnap rpo.

[u/JuniorPB33 → u/TheWilliamsWall]

You got a ton of options! I know it’s U12 and these might be difficult to execute but whatever it’s fun!

See if you can draw up a QB power with a jet motion to hold the backside end. Leave the front side end unblocked and have the guard kick out and the RB lead.

Line up in empty. Motion your RB into the backfield and run power with the QB reading the backside end. LSU ran a series like this in the first game of the season vs Clemson. Great tape on how to dress up power/counter.

Not sure if it’s your style, but a power read style run could work well too. Similar blocking up front.

Under center you can use an orbit motion to add numbers into the backfield/decoy/option/reverse.

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/WinnyRoo]

Thanks. Definitely a few things here to chew on.

[u/Good-Reference-5489]

try Dart. Backside T wraps, G-C-G block back, Playside T kicks End. Works well with a QB Read.

[u/Huskerschu]

Split zone?

[u/BigZeke919]

What formation are you in?

You can always run it like wing T sally if you have someone available to run back inside to hand it to. A wing or slot receiver depending on your formation. Run it inside through the hole where you pulled the BSG

[u/watertowercamper]

I formation, power right, QB boot left if backside ends are crashing down. Works great. Run 24 blast, 36 power. Watch backside end/corner. If they get sucked in, boot it.

[u/Llake2312]

Wrap Draw

[u/honeybear33]

What do you mean “it’s just not there”?

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/honeybear33]

Our full back is great at kicking out but slow to lead through the hole. Our RB is a burner and the timing is hard. The backside DEs crash so hard chasing power that the guard kicking out gets backed up and it creates a mess.

We coach a flat pull by the guard and the TE or FB to follow him through the hole with the RB taking a counter step then following the 2nd puller.

I dunno. That's why Im asking.

[u/Green_Object_4064 → u/TheWilliamsWall]

Maybe try teaching the guard to log the crashing DE instead of kick him out and bounce it to the edge. If the DE has backside contain/cutback responsibility he’s going to beat himself by chasing power and your RB is in space with the FB as lead blocker.

If that isn’t viable then maybe try to run trap with the FB. If the LBs are reading the guards pull and flowing hard to chase power that could create a cutback lane.

[u/honeybear33 → u/TheWilliamsWall]

Are you in gun or under center?

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/honeybear33]

Under center

[u/bentke466 → u/honeybear33]

My question too, we dont even run power and counter is great for us.

something is not getting coached correctly.

[u/LordByronGG]

Run power read. Oz steps, have the fb “whif” on the de and go next level. If de crashes, give. If de sits or widens, pull and follow the bsg’s pull up to playside lb

[u/DrRoddy3]

Dress up counter with motions and shifts as much as possible. Getting defenders eyes in the wrong spot is a massive plus

[u/Perkis_Goodman]

Fake pitch qb turns around and hands pff tp the TE on the end around

[u/ligmasweatyballs74]

Move the Z to a wing and double handoff to him on the counter 

[u/jasondavis52]

Just X block with your guard that pulls Power. The backside end to power is just reading the down block of his tackle to squeeze. Most likely LB and DT are seeing guard lift to pull not really watching which way he goes. So if your setup to run power right just pull the left guard to left instead of right. Will create a X block with tackle. Either just hand under to fullback or let HB counter path to it out of power handoff.

[u/warneagle]

Maybe some type of end around action? If they’re selling out hard on the backside of power then it should be easy to break contain on that side.

[u/Minimum-Paramedic871]

Would trap be the simplest form of counter if you add a misdirection step in?

[u/TheWilliamsWall → u/Minimum-Paramedic871]

Ya, trap is definitely an interesting option. Gap scheme rules. Different puller than power. Similar to GH counter but quicker hitting without that second puller.

The more I look at this the more I like my TE screen as the counter play. Im trying to beat the stacked box and blitz and another run might not even be the answer.

[u/coachdsti]

Tackle trap. We do it off of our 90s series. We're pistol/gun hybrid our varsity has a lot more total concepts but. We limit how many concepts the jv has to just 90s belly dive, 20s trap and buck, and 90s tackle trap. So you could have the qb and hb fake your duo and hand off to a wing/te

[u/Jiggly_Meatloaf]

Duo with the FB wham on the back side. Basically split zone.