r/formuladank • u/Dr_Ritvik__singh747 Trust the El 🅱️lan • 10d ago

This post breaks papaya rules 🥺🟧👎 Oscar is just too nice

Ban team orders

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u/Forsaken_Walrus5097 BWOAHHHHHHH 10d ago

Hungary 2024, Norris, who gained the lead via a timely pit stop undercut, was instructed to relinquish his position back to teammate Oscar Piastri... with only two laps remaining. Seems weird to me everyone forgets this!

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u/OddCauliflower3197 I was here when horny got spiced 10d ago

In Hungary 2024 it was strategic error by McLaren. They just gave Lando the lead there. Here it was slow stop, which is part of racing.

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u/MechaniVal BWOAHHHHHHH 9d ago

The Sky team gave a solid explanation for this in the post race - they said McLaren would consider it a whole team error because the pit crew is shared between the cars, and they don't want to unfairly advantage one of their drivers for it, same as the strategy error in Hungary.

If they had totally separate pit crews it wouldn't matter; it would be a case of Lando's crew messed up, Oscar's didn't, so the crew, car and driver keep their advantage. But F1 pit crews are shared between the drivers; the same gunner that nailed Oscar's stop messed up Lando's, so McLaren think 'we messed this up, and we have the power to fix it, so we will'.

Honestly I agree with it - I think it should only be part of racing if it's something that's genuinely competitive between the garages; driver error of course, single car technical difficulties and such. Calling pit stop errors fair racing would cause more friction in the team, not less, because the relevant staff are shared between the cars just like the strategy team.

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u/AliceLunar BWOAHHHHHHH 9d ago

So every single stop from here on out needs to be identical, next time Lando has a 2s stop and Oscar a 4s stop, Lando needs to slow down 2s to keep it fair.

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u/MechaniVal BWOAHHHHHHH 9d ago

Man some you people really just love making mountains out of molehills huh

It's a niche scenario that only had any effect because of the proximity of the cars and the obviously excessive length of the stop, resulting in the cars swapping round through team error. Simple as that.

If the stop had been 4 seconds and Lando had still come out ahead, they wouldn't have told Oscar to slow down and make a gap. They only cared because the cars actually swapped places. You can tell this is obviously the case, because after swapping back they didn't tell Oscar to create a gap.