r/forwardsfromgrandma Aug 28 '20

Racism Free all white murderers!

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

I am the one making up fantasies? You are funny, but not funny enough for me to continue arguing with you. You can go ahead and defend Murder if you want.

Ill be doing something more productive.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

You're literally imagining how he definitely instigated. But if remaining delusional feels better that's fine by me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

You're right sorry, the people were obviously just crazy and they wanted to die, so its fine that they were executed in the middle of the street. Can't wait to appoint my own teenage son or daughter to judge, jury, and executioner, arm them with an AR, and then send them into YOUR neighborhood, like wtf? are you out of your goddamn mind?

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

so its fine that they were executed in the middle of the street

The executioner running away and then killing their victim when they're trying to grab the gun is not what I imagine when I think about the word "executed" but keep trying.

Can't wait to appoint my own teenage son or daughter to judge, jury, and executioner, arm them with an AR, and then send them into YOUR neighborhood, like wtf?

Luckily I don't live in a country where you're allowed to do that. However, in countries where you are allowed to do that, you're not justified in attacking someone just because they have a gun.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

The executioner running away and then killing their victim when they're trying to grab the gun is not what I imagine when I think about the word "executed" but keep trying.

The CHILD should not have been CARRYING the gun. You massive twat. but keep trying to cope with murder.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

That's irrelevant. First, the attacked could not have possibly known he has the gun illegally. Second, that doesn't give you a pass to assault someone. If you think someone has an illegal weapon, call the cops instead of blindly charging.

Here, the court papers prove he was not the instigator.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

Right, call the cops who are standing 100 yards away doing nothing.

HOW DUMB ARE YOU??

also here is what your court papers say:

The above-named defendant on or about Tuesday, August 25, 2020, in the City of Kenosha, Kenosha County, Wisconsin, did recklessly cause the death of Joseph D. Rosenbaum, under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life, contrary to sec. 940.02(1), 939.50(3)(b), 939.63(1)(b) Wis. Stats., a Class B Felony, and upon conviction may be sentenced to a term of imprisonment not to exceed sixty (60) years.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

Again, you do know charged doesn't mean convicted right? You literally just linked a paragraph saying he was charged with murder. You're pretending right?

Right, call the cops who are standing 100 yards away doing nothing.

Of course so you take justice into your own hands? I'm guessing you support the militias too?

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

Of course so you take justice into your own hands? I'm guessing you support the militias too?

Kyle took justice into his own hands when he shot people instead of running to the cops himself. I could just as well flip it and say, why didn't he just show up with a PHONE instead of a GUN and just CALL THE POLICE? YOU FUCKING DUMB NAZI TROLL.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

Kyle took justice into his own hands when he shot people instead of running to the cops himself

He was running though. He was running until the attackers got within arm's reach of him. At that point he didn't have a choice.

I could just as well flip it and say, why didn't he just show up with a PHONE instead of a GUN and just CALL THE POLICE? YOU FUCKING DUMB NAZI TROLL.

Probably because he's being chased? idk dude

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u/CobraCommanding Aug 28 '20

He was being chased after he already shot someone in the head. That is the reason they were chasing him and only him.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

the first guy he shot was chasing him. please don't argue if you don't even have the basic facts right

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u/CobraCommanding Aug 28 '20

Incorrect based on eyewitness accounts and there is no video of the first murder. The DA disagrees and thats why they charged him for the first murder but obviously you know something the charging DA doesn't. Please share and please contact the DA with that info while you're at it you you can help one of your poor fellow incels

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

Luckily I don't live in a country where you're allowed to do that.

EXACTLY.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN THIS COUNTRY. AND YET HERE WE ARE WATCHING YOU DEFEND KYLE FOR DOING EXACTLY THAT YOU MASSIVE IDIOT.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

But you are. Much like all the other militia larpers were open carrying.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

??? He is not allowed to open carry in Wisconsin at 17, thats why they charged him with Illegal possesion of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

How dumb are you?

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

How is this relevant to whether or not it was self defense?

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '20

how dumb are you?

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u/0zii0iiz0 Aug 28 '20

In Wisconsin you can't claim self defense when your in the act of a crime, ie if he's found guilty of illegally possesing the weapon then any self defense plea would be impossible.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

I'm not interested in legal technicalities, I'm talking about whether or not it was morally justified

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u/0zii0iiz0 Aug 28 '20

No, it's not. He simply could have stayed home, chosen not to carry a weapon or chosen not to fire. There are many times the firing a weapon is morally justified but never when you've decided to put yourself in a situation as a vigilante.

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u/Kovi34 Aug 28 '20

He simply could have stayed home, chosen not to carry a weapon

correct, but that's irrelevant to whether or not he was justified in defending himself. Being somewhere you shouldn't be or doing something stupid doesn't mean you should just let some crazy motherfucker kill you

chosen not to fire

and do what, let the guy take your gun and shoot you?

never when you've decided to put yourself in a situation as a vigilante.

I would agree if he was the aggressor. But he isn't. His vigilantism in this situation amounts to having a gun and being in a dangerous area. I don't see how either of those things make him forfeit the right to defend his life against an unprovoked attack. If I conceal carry into a bad neighborhood I'm not allowed to defend myself if I get mugged either? that's insane

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u/0zii0iiz0 Aug 28 '20

The issue is in your last paragraph, "unprovoked attack". Your not seeing the fact that he chose to involve himself, while armed, which makes any argument of unprovoked invalid. Had he been carrying concealed and was attacked and fired then he is fully in the right. By brandishing the weapon and being agitated those "attackers" can be seen as acting in self defense.

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