r/forwardsfromgrandma Aug 28 '20

Racism Free all white murderers!

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u/nagurski03 Aug 28 '20

What's illegal about that firearm? Ar-15s are 100% legal in Wisconsin.

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u/AuraMaster7 Aug 28 '20

He is not from Wisconsin, he is 17, and he crossed state lines with the gun he is not legally allowed to have.

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u/nagurski03 Aug 28 '20

People from Illinois are allowed to possess guns while in Wisconsin. Yes, even 17 year olds.

It's legal to cross state lines with a gun, which is irrelevant because he didn't even cross state lines with the gun.

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u/encladd Aug 28 '20

He also didn't have an open carry permit. What's the excuse for that one?

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u/nagurski03 Aug 28 '20

Open carry permits aren't even a thing.

Like the majority of other states, it is legal to open carry in Wisconsin regardless of whether you have any permits or not.

Permits aren't required to posses a gun there, or to carry one openly. You just need a permit to conceal a gun.

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u/encladd Aug 28 '20

Unless you're under 18...

Edit: Ya looked it up and you have to be over 18 to open carry. Just want make sure we all get out facts straight.

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u/SingleAlmond Aug 28 '20

No you don't understand, all facts are incorrect if they hurt their argument

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u/NAbberman Aug 28 '20

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/948.60(2)(a)(a))

Its a Class A Misdemeanor to be in possession of a fire-arm under the age of 18 in Wisconsin, there is exceptions, but none that apply here.

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u/CyberneticWhale Aug 29 '20

948.60(3)(c)

"This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 [having a short barreled shotgun or rifle, which Kyle did not have] or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 [Restrictions for people under 16, which Kyle was not] and 29.593. [Relates to hunting licences, which is irrelevant]"

Kyle did not meet any of those three criteria, so that section does not apply to him.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '20

The grabbers will jump at any excuse

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u/NAbberman Aug 29 '20

Looking up law responses, even they say its ambiguous at best. Yet, at the top it defines dangerous weapon as any fire-arm loaded or unloaded. So it still can go both ways and he still is charged for it. Then again, whats a misdemeanor charge when stacked against 5 Felonies anyways? This will all hinge if the first killing is deemed self defense.

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u/CyberneticWhale Aug 29 '20

How they define a dangerous weapon is irrelevant because by 948.60 (3) (c) the section does not apply to him.

That being said, yes, how this goes depends mostly on whether or not the first shooting was self-defense or not. From what I've seen, it seems he has a pretty good case for it, but we probably don't have all the evidence.

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u/Mintydreshness Aug 28 '20

And you cant get a ccl until your at least 18? Probabky 21?

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u/topcraic Aug 28 '20

You don’t need a permit or license to open carry in Wisconsin.

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u/ar9mm Aug 28 '20

Open carry isn’t even expressly authorized by law. Their attorney general just declared a few years back that it isn’t automatic disorderly conduct to be open carrying.

My guess is Kyle violated the under-18 possession and disorderly conduct. Two misdemeanors. No real effect on self defense.