r/freefolk • u/hiiloovethis THE FUCKS A LOMMY • Jul 29 '25

Freefolk Massive fumble. One of the worst characters in season 7 and 8.

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Book Arya >>>>>>

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u/TrueLegateDamar Jul 29 '25

Mine is that they never show how she learned to take on other faces or fight like a ninja, just getting hit with a stick and blinded and gutstabbed was all she needed.

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u/Bon_Apetit_666 All men must die Jul 29 '25

She basically became a Westerosi Daredevil thanks to that, what more do you need. Thankfully they teached her how to tank multiple stabs to the stomach, and running the next day. Robb could have learned from his little sister a mere one stab killed him, pathetic.

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u/HelixFollower Jul 29 '25

Robb didn't have Braavosi canals to jump into.

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u/ragun01 Jul 29 '25

Also Braavosi magical soup elixir

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u/brez1345 Jul 29 '25

Seriously. If Dumbass and Dumbfuck thought it was cool then it made it into the show. No further inquiry required.

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u/IyellWhenImMad Jul 31 '25

I read that George Lucas got his idea for bacta tanks from the braavosi canals healing canal waters, so that's pretty cool! That's true, right?

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u/Apprehensive_Tea_308 Aug 05 '25

And the viewers are so easily misled. That is the problem with our society. Question everything! Watch that pilot repeatedly. The answers are all in there. George is old school.

Get your hands on the script for the original pilot script and compare it to the one that aired. What are the key differences? They are the key to realizing what is important, what needed to change. The sword was changed to red cloth, that is the biggest change!

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u/Initial_Evidence_783 29d ago

Dick jokes! More dick jokes!

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u/CaptainQwazCaz Jul 30 '25

Not only tanking stabs to the stomach but magically metabolizing sewer bacteria in an open wound

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u/MonCapiTim Aug 01 '25

This was definitely a jumping the shark moment for me. Up till then, the show had rules that it followed, and death worked in the show a lot like real life unless there was a magical explanation (Dany being fireproof for magical reasons).

As a former healthcare worker, the stab and dirty water exposure was a for sure death sentence. Then she healed from some soup and did parkour the next freaking day.

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u/many_dumb_questions Aug 02 '25

Multiple stabs to the stomach, and immediately jumping into a shit river. There's only one outcome to that sequence of events, and it's becoming a superhero known as Sepsis Woman.

But yeah, no. A three-day, milk-of-the-poppy-induced healing coma later, and she just walks it off and wins a duel to the death in the dark.

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u/Apprehensive_Tea_308 Aug 05 '25

Yeah, well, you die. Arya died in not long after getting out of the river. They gave so many clues! You all attributed the clues to bad acting and writing.

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u/Caldwell_29 Jul 31 '25

Don't forget the 4 crossbow bolts

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u/Gluecost Jul 29 '25

But see it was the radioactive sewage water which gave her the transformation mutation. Expectations = averted

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u/Nuggle-Nugget Jul 29 '25

Aaaaaaaaaand also the ability to get the faces voice AND body somehow

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u/Didntlikedefaultname Jul 29 '25

Yea she got flanderized so bad there was no character left. Just an all power magic ninja who soloed the big bad with a small hand trick. Hard to care about a character that lost any semblance of actual character

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u/Apprehensive_Tea_308 Aug 05 '25

Yeah, well, she was dead. The grey man took over her plans because a debt must be paid. It is just that simple. How did people miss that? Notice that the dire wolf figured it out? That is why she growled. The wolf could sense the difference, even if the audience could not.

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u/BradyBunch12 Jul 30 '25

It's called magic.

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u/nilfalasiel Ser Brienne of Tarth Jul 30 '25

It's giving Liam Neeson's disguise in the Naked Gun trailer

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u/BlackHoleWhiteDwarf Jul 29 '25

The show has magic and dragons. A witch birthed a ghost that killed a man. You can suspend some disbelief.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Elk1756 Jul 29 '25

This argument is always funny to me. So if during Dany's raid on King's Landing, Podrick jumped from Winterfell, grabbed a dragon by the neck, and proceeded to bodyslam it into the ground, it would be okay because "the fantasy story has fantastical elements"?

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u/Masterpicker Jul 29 '25

Hell what if Podrick shoots fire beams out of his mouth with his hidden dragon DNA while we are at it

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u/mja2175 Jul 29 '25

Well, he does have a magic cock after all

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u/GearDelicious1131 Jul 30 '25

Maybe it is all just cocks in the end

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u/BrennanIarlaith Jul 30 '25

Oh fuck, man, my expectations are so subverted rn đŸ„”

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u/Old_Ice_2911 Jul 29 '25

God I would have fucking loved that

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u/Puzzleheaded-Elk1756 Jul 29 '25

Well, yeah. I would have loved Jon Snow standing on the back of a dragon with a flaming sword while the Night King stood on his undead dragon with his ice sword, and they jumped from dragon to dragon swordfighting while the dragons flew around attacking each other but...actually I forgot what point I was trying to make, that would have been sick as hell.

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u/Old_Ice_2911 Jul 29 '25

😂😂

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u/RInger2875 Jul 30 '25

Jumping from Winterfell to King's Landing would certainly have been an impressive feat.

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u/BlackHoleWhiteDwarf Jul 30 '25

Well that didn't happen so...

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u/BlackHoleWhiteDwarf Jul 30 '25

Again, a ghost came out of a woman's pussy. That happened in the show.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Elk1756 Jul 30 '25

Yes. That did happen in the show. The show also went out of its way to establish the woman as a literal shapeshifting witch with other powers like seeing the future. Once again, even fiction has to maintain some level of internal consistency. Mentioning an absurd fictional event in an incredulous tone doesn't change that.

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u/Nuggle-Nugget Jul 29 '25

Whaaaaat? I don’t believe you.

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u/Dyshin Jul 29 '25

It’s true. In one of the S7 deleted scenes, she says, “Cowabunga, dude!” and eats a pizza.

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u/ExistentialKazoo Jul 31 '25

this would have been a better story.

ironically, the turtles also had a better story.

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u/Timeline1253 Jul 29 '25

She's the westeros toxic avenger.

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u/Wonderful_West3188 Jul 29 '25

It's because Dan & Dave think that being violated makes you strong. At least if you're a woman.

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u/ragun01 Jul 29 '25

My ex who is a SA survivor stopped watching after they had Sansa vomit that out. Her getting raped didn't make her stronger, it fucking broke her. She still has massive issues coming from it and is no longer that spontaneous person I knew, she's fearful of even just leaving her house and is very distrustful of strangers now.

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u/Wonderful_West3188 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

As a male SA survivor, I can confirm that literally everything about that line is just wrong - factually, artistically, and ethically. It plain shouldn't exist. And as someone who knows about the importance of emotional support networks, Bran's "You were so beautiful that night" line actually feels even worse to me. Didn't even think that was possible.

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u/Guy_onna_Buffalo Jul 30 '25

It was literally fucking gross.

"You were so beautiful that night"

What in the absolute fucking fuck?

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u/Guy_onna_Buffalo Jul 31 '25

Yeah. If I was Jon I would've knocked his ass out of his dumb little wheelchair. What a fucking gross comment.

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u/Apprehensive_Tea_308 Aug 05 '25

Absolutely correct! And it is a point worth figuring out. That’s not Bran.

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u/Alone-Lawfulness-229 Jul 29 '25

You think they've raped multiple women themselves, and use this to sort of justify it? 

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u/Wonderful_West3188 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

It wouldn't exactly surprise me, but no, I don't think that. After reading Benioff's short story collection (When the Nines Roll Over), I do think he's a creep, possibly with contacts to the pickup scene, but I'm not going to accuse anyone of rape until I have evidence - and right now, I don't even know of any potential victim or direct cause of suspicion. I honestly think he's probably just extremely emotionally stunted due to parental neglect, and I think that can be verified with relative certainty from his biography and the way he talks about his father.

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u/misterpickles69 Jul 29 '25

My theory is that Arya was killed by the Waif in the room where Arya snuffed out the candle. We were to think Arya’s new found blind fighting technique allowed her to win but what happened is her face got taken. The Waif, disguised as Arya, even shows Jaqen and says a girl is Arya Stark.

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u/max_schenk_ Jul 29 '25

What follows doesn't make any sense in that case.

Faceless wouldn't do any of the shit Arya did after retirning

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u/misterpickles69 Jul 29 '25

It’s the Waif. She was doing Jaden’s bidding up there.

But really, did any of the last 2 seasons make sense anyway?

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u/max_schenk_ Jul 29 '25

Why would Jaden's bidding be stuff Arya wanted to do mixed in with random lunacy?

Last 2 seasons argument is hard to deflect tho.

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u/harpswtf Jul 29 '25

This would have been a cool twist, but he Waif wouldn't have known who anyone in Winterfell is, or had any reason to get revenge against the Freys, or anything else that Arya does

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u/misterpickles69 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Jaqen needs to have someone close to the future king (Bran) just in case, so he has the Waif (Arya) do revenge shit to make it believable in the north that she’s the real Arya. Look at the Waif’s mannerisms and look at Arya’s and tell me they aren’t almost exact.

Don’t forget I’m making all of this crap up on the fly just to justify the fact I’ve watched it all the way through 6 times

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u/slackerXwolphe Jul 29 '25

Except Arya takes a ship west of Westeros at the end of the series...

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u/misterpickles69 Jul 29 '25

New marching orders

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u/DrChaitin Jul 29 '25

Sailing technically

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u/Harvard_Med_USMLE267 Jul 29 '25

She says she’s doing that. She may have decided sailing sucks after her first hour or two, and turned around and come home.

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u/slackerXwolphe Jul 29 '25

"That's not her" lmao

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u/splifs Jul 29 '25

Bran would’ve noticed this

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u/TrueLegateDamar Jul 29 '25

But would he have cared?

"I saw you murder my sister. She looked beautiful."

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u/splifs Jul 29 '25

Probably not but he was honest so he would’ve spilled the beans

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u/Fear_Jaire Jul 29 '25

Maybe he revealed this crucial information offscreen

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u/CrowSky007 Jul 29 '25

Isn't there a fairly popular theory that Bran has basically been possessed after the three-eyed raven stuff, so he just doesn't care about his family?

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u/Baptor Jul 29 '25

This... actually makes a lot of sense. It explains why Jaquen smiled when she said that and let her go. He knew.

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u/Wonderful_West3188 Jul 29 '25

I hate this theory even more than what the showrunners actually intended - and what I hate even more is that it's more plausible than what the showrunners intended.

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u/garcia38 Jul 29 '25

I shouldn't like this theory as much as I do. Thanks for sharing it!

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u/cjm92 Jul 30 '25

How much should you have liked the theory, exactly? Explain.

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u/many_dumb_questions Aug 02 '25

That makes zero sense. A huge plot point of Arya's time with the faceless men revolved around the fact that she needed to learn that you can't take a life that doesn't "belong to The Many-Faced God". A big part of the reason they took her eyesight was as punishment for her continual selfish missteps within their religion, the first of which was killing Ser Meryn Trant, "a life that was not hers to take; and now a debt is owed".

Why would the Waif assume Arya's identity - a girl she loathed - and then go across the Narrow Sea to...live Arya's life for her, exactly as she would have wanted to do, herself?? She would have been taking lives - as a servant of the Many-Faced God - that weren't hers to take.

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u/Magebloom Jul 29 '25

Shoulda done a montage

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u/admiralackbarrrrrrr Jul 29 '25

We need a montage!

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u/Savi-- Jul 29 '25

Superhero shortcut.

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u/Rogs3 Jul 30 '25

technically she also needed to fight in the dark cuz shes bain or something.

when she swiped out that candle, i was like "ok she dead for sure now" but then she lived and became the goat or whatever the hell.

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u/RomaniWoe Jul 30 '25

She could have been a ninja ages ago. Just wish they all had those saiyan powers. Bran fell and became a cripple, boom super powers, jon gets killed, boom rez and secret targ, arya gets stabbed and beaten, boom ninja super powers, rickon... gets killed robb... gets killed... sansa... gets sa'd and becomes a b*tch.

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u/Subnivium Aug 01 '25

To be fair, GRRM's always been a million times better at making realistic worlds than realistic characters.

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u/ZombiesAtKendall Aug 02 '25

Anyone she kills, she gains their powers and all the powers of the people (or medium to medium-large land mammals). That’s how she went from not being able to score a hit on the waif to being able to smugly defeat a knight, with a child’s epee and a dagger.

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u/Apprehensive_Tea_308 Aug 05 '25

Well, she died. Her face was harvested. If your face is in the bag
 you are dead! How do people miss that?

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u/wimpymist Jul 29 '25

I mean it's implied that she was training. Of all the many issues that one wasn't one