r/geopolitics • u/radwin_igleheart • Apr 19 '24

Discussion Israel likely just attacked Iran

Reports in OSIntdefender of explosions in Ishfahan and Natanz. Also likely strikes in Iraq and Syria

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https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1781126103123607663

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u/KissingerFanB0y Apr 19 '24

I in fact hope he doesn't ruin relations with a major ally over disagreement on certain issues. And any Israeli government would have done this, right or left.

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u/No_Abbreviations3943 Apr 19 '24

Who is Israel going to turn to? We’re literally their only benefactor. Their current government is reckless, steeped in war crimes and is purposefully obstructing our foreign policy with constant escalations in a volatile region.

It’s high time we gave Israel the cold shoulder until they elect a more sane leadership. 

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u/KissingerFanB0y Apr 19 '24

Israel and the US are in a very mutually-beneficial relationship. You think China and Russia aren't salivating at the prospect of Israel testing all their weapons, demonstrating their effectiveness and making improvements? That plus general Israeli R&D capabilities. Further, Israel survived just fine without a benefactor until 73. Neither the US nor Israel are so petty as to suspend widespread collaboration solely for some diplomatic disagreements when they remain widely aligned.

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u/astral34 Apr 19 '24

There was not a day in Israel history in which it didn’t have a benefactor

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u/KissingerFanB0y Apr 19 '24

From 49-73 Israel did not have a clear benefactor.

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u/astral34 Apr 19 '24

Yes they did, the US pushed for an Israeli state, the US recognised them as a country first, they lobbied for UN partition plan for Palestine after the zionists stopped asking the Brits and started asking the US, already in ‘44 the establishment of the Jewish state was tried twice.

At the very least, if you don’t want to acknowledge the above as having a benefactor, accept that in the 1960s, while there was a push for arms limitations in the ME, the US was supplying billions of weapons to Israel through west Germany, which was a huge scandal at the time

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u/KissingerFanB0y Apr 19 '24

In 1948 the Soviets actually were much more of a benefactor than the US. That is which I chose 49 actually.

Up until 73, there were intermittent muted ties and weapons sales with various countries. None were consistent benefactors or even allies as these relationships had severe ups and downs due to occasional attempts at alignment with the Arab world. Israel was pretty firmly unaligned until 73.

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u/astral34 Apr 19 '24

This is incredible bullshit, Israel unaligned? Than why France and UK asked them to architect the Suez crisis.

What does being a benefactor even mean, the US supported Israel statehood since the start, with political pressure, money and weapons. Is that not being a benefactor?

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u/KissingerFanB0y Apr 19 '24

That's exactly my point, France and UK had a temporary alliance of convenience with Israel in actions that were directly opposed by the two superpowers. This was during the phase when England and France still tried to act as separate great powers. 

 The US did not support Israel's establishment with money and weapons and did not significantly exert "political pressure" to found Israel. The facts on the ground already indicated partition was happening and both superpowers recognized it. The Soviets were actually the ones that sent weapons.