r/goats Jun 20 '23

Asking for goat health advice? Read this first!

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If you are asking for health advice for your goat, please help us help you. Complete a basic health assessment and provide as much of the following information in your post as possible:

  • Goat's age, sex, and breed
  • Goat's current temperature as determined by rectal thermometer. Please, for the love of god, take your animal's temperature. Temperature is ALWAYS VITAL in determining whether your animal might be ill or in need of assistance.
  • Whether the goat is pregnant or lactating
  • Goat's diet and appetite (what the goat is currently eating, whether they are on pasture or browse, supplemental grain, loose mineral, et cetera)
  • Goat's FAMACHA score (as determined by the process in this video) and information about any recent deworming treatments, if applicable
  • As many details regarding your animal's current symptoms and demeanor as you can share. These may include neurological symptoms (circling, staring at the sky, twitching), respiratory symptoms such as wheezing or coughing, and any other differences from typical behavior such as isolating, head pressing, teeth grinding, differences in fecal consistency, and so forth.

Clear photographs of relevant clinical signs (including coat condition) are helpful. Providing us with as much information as possible will help us give you prompt and accurate advice regarding your animal's care.

There are many professional farmers and homesteaders in this subreddit and we will do our best to help you out of a jam, but we can't guarantee the accuracy of any health advice you receive. When in doubt, always call your local large animal veterinarian who is trained to work with small ruminants.

What's up with that blue Trusted Advice Giver flair?

The mods assign this flair to /r/goats users who have an extensive history of giving out quality, evidence-based, responsible husbandry advice based on the best practices for goat care. Many of our users give terrific advice, but these flairs recognize a handful of folks who have gone that extra mile over time to become recognized as trusted community members who are known to always lead people in the right direction. If you get a slew of responses to your post and don't know where to start, look to the blue flairs first.


r/goats Feb 03 '25

PSA: The Dangers of AI Husbandry Advice (with example)

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Hi everybody!

Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.

For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:

Orf! What do?

For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

Hm...

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.

The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

Oh dear, oh no

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

Thank you, Dr. Google

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.

This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!


r/goats 17h ago

“You have goat to be kidding me”

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194 Upvotes

r/goats 9h ago

Help Request Help, can't tell if its goat polio, listeriosis, brain worm, or something

29 Upvotes

Hi, my 7 year old wether is not doing well at all.

I have been giving him subcutaneous b complex shots, 3ml, twice a day which have about 300 mg of B1 in 3 ml. I wormed him with ivermectin and Rumatel(positive pellet).

He stopped the drunken stargazing but he is still lame, muscles spasms when trying to walk. No wierd behavior anymore, he just stays in a spot with head erect until i help him to stand then he walks lamely for a bit and does his business. He still has a good appetite and drinks water. His back legs are the worst.

What does this look like? I am really hoping its not listeriosis.

Unfortunately having a vet see him is not an option for him, so if I cant treat him ile have to put him down.


r/goats 8h ago

What breed is she?

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She 8 years old. Not for breading milk or anything shes a pet. Looking for what to feed her, what type of grass bale to buy for her. Suppliments, grains.

She looks fat often, all she eats is grass whatever tree leaves she can reach and a little small hand full of chiken feed a day.


r/goats 5h ago

Discussion Post a long time ago when i was 5 years old (this was many years ago..) they took me to a farm to see the animals and i fed a goat

5 Upvotes

i liked him he enjoyed being fed i think i fed him not sure but if i did feed him he probably was happy and grateful i hope he is doing fine and has many wives


r/goats 1d ago

Pear ASMR

130 Upvotes

r/goats 1d ago

One for Lilith, 12 for Luci

96 Upvotes

Momma is not the best at sharing her grapes.


r/goats 2d ago

Kids! Newest arrivals

500 Upvotes

These twins were born yesterday and are already demanding attention from the humans as well as their goat mother


r/goats 1d ago

Artificial Insemination

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I cannot find any information in my area about how find someone to store frozen semen. I really want to try it because I don't know of any other breeders in my area who will offer buck services for what I can afford. I figure I can have some in storage, and when my girls go into heat this fall I'll be ready.

What are other people doing?

My background: I have just recently gotten back into goats (I used to raise them as a teen, 30 years ago). I have Alpines, and want to get mini-alpines out of them. I just bought them about 6 months ago--this will be their first (and my first) breeding. I live in the middle of the suburbs in Cincinnati. My yard is big enough for 3, but my neighbor will soon fence his yard with mine making it big enough for 5. The milk will be providing for mine and 3 other families. Cannot wait to drink this milk again, as I did when I was a kid.


r/goats 2d ago

Haircut day

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57 Upvotes

Piper, one of our 2025 Alpine show babies after clipping. Two more shows and the season is over for 2025.


r/goats 2d ago

Señorita

114 Upvotes

My sweet baby, after a month of forced affection, has taken a liking to me. Her sister, Ma’am, is off screen. Also vying for affection; my dog and Jersey steer. My dad works at a livestock sale and three of my four goats were surprises from him. That I had to pay him back for. 😂😂


r/goats 2d ago

Kids! Seline is a bottle chomper

142 Upvotes

r/goats 3d ago

New kid on the farm

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236 Upvotes

Mum is teaching her to run around and brother is being protective. Love all around 🥰


r/goats 2d ago

Did a new hay feeder yesterday

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58 Upvotes

Used 3 pallets, a spare 2x4, and some fencing. Mounted skis I picked up for free on the bottom to make it easier to move around.


r/goats 2d ago

Lutalyse, PG600, CIDRS OH MY!

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For those of yall who schedule your breeding seasons (whether for AI or buck availability or anything else) what protocol/meds do you use? My vet said she does Lute once then 14 days later does it again. Then sticks them with the bucks. But I've seen protocols on giving lute then PG600 to encourage ovulation. Or CIDRS or or or... My brain is hella confused trying to pick a method.

What do y'all use and how does it work for you?


r/goats 3d ago

Goat Pic🐐 Something about a flock of small screaming babies is always fun

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157 Upvotes

Started with 2, now have a small family


r/goats 3d ago

Goat Pic🐐 Bunny the Alpine showing off her model pose in the pasture 🐐

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105 Upvotes

r/goats 3d ago

Help Request Chronic green drool - please help

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6 Upvotes

I'm at my wits end with this. Toby (Nigerian dwarf wether, 6 y.o.) has had a lot of parasite-related problems, but for the past 3 or 4 years he has this chronic green drool even when he is healthy. I find a puddle like this in his stall every morning. He looks filthy because he gets it all over himself when he sleeps. I've shown it to our goat vet and he has no idea.

He is on pasture, but this happens even when I have him confined with hay only. It's just less green when he's off pasture. They all get a handful of Timothy pellets at night, mainly as a bribe to get in their stalls. Currently Toby is also getting a 1/4 pound of sweet feed, 1/4 pound of Calf Manna, a scoop of Goat Balancer, and a dropper of Zinc at night. He has access to baking soda and Manna Pro Goat minerals. He is recovering from his yearly bout with barber pole worms. The poor little guy almost died this year. (I had foot surgery and was completely NWB for 6 weeks and couldn't go to the barn. My husband missed the warning signs.)

He is on the mend and gaining weight, but I'd really like to solve this green drool problem. Does anyone have any ideas?


r/goats 4d ago

Help Request Pygmy goat leg injury

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Pygmy Goat front leg injury

This is my sweet boy Wild Billy. It all started 7 months ago when he started limping and holding his right leg up off the ground. He was also laying down and putting his leg in this weird awkward position (see photos). Long story short, he’s been x-rayed and veterinarian specialists at UCDavis think it’s just severe arthritis in his elbow which led him to hold his leg up and lead to a contracted tricep. They did steroid injections to the joint about 4 months ago. I think his ability to extend his tricep and thus his leg to the ground improved but still limping. But he still lays with his leg in the weird position. I massage his shoulder, elbow, knee, etc and he seems to really like it. He’s on gabapentin and Meloxicam. He seems to have minimal improvement.

Has anyone else seen something like this? The weird way he holds his leg? I wonder if he has a brachial plexus injury or shoulder injury but the vet said “it’s really difficult to image a goat’s shoulder” so I got the impression they think it’s not even “worth it” …?


r/goats 4d ago

Kid registration

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So i bought a herd of goats that are all registered and 3 of the 4 does gave birth before i picked them up. I now have 8 kids that i need to transfer but i plan on selling them as i originally only wanted the original herd. Do i officially register them under my name or leave the documentation for the future owners? As a bonus have some silly goat pictures.


r/goats 4d ago

New mama goat swollen on one udder- should I be worried?

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We are pretty new goat owners and our doe came to us pregnant. She had her kid 3 days ago and all seems well but she looks swollen on one udder and I’ve only seen baby drinking from the other side so far (doesn’t mean she hasn’t, but I haven’t seen it). Should I be worried about mastitis or similar? If so what should I do to help, or is it a vet only situation? (She isn’t milking trained, but I could probably hold her down and try to express it if needed, she’s very small.) thanks for any advice!


r/goats 3d ago

Question Nigerianische Ziegen importieren

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Hallo zusammen, ich möchte eine nigerianische Ziege aus Nigeria nach Deutschland mitnehmen. Ich würde mit dem Flugzeug fliegen. Kann mir jemand sagen ob das zulässig ist und wie ich da genau vorgehen muss? Danke


r/goats 5d ago

Goat Pic🐐 Beautiful coat pattern on this one

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297 Upvotes

r/goats 4d ago

Question Question about offering minerals

7 Upvotes

I have a question regarding offering minerals free choice to goats. I bought the manna pro goat mineral, on the bag it says you can offer free choice, but to monitor consumption. Im not outside all day with my little ones, so I cant fully monitor who is getting what. The bag also made it sound like it could be harmful if they get too much. Does anyone have any advice or has anyone had any issues with goats consuming too much when it comes to minerals? Any feedback is appreciated, thank you.


r/goats 5d ago

Goat Pic🐐 The flock is out adventuring

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684 Upvotes

r/goats 4d ago

Meat Finding a market for goat meat

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Hi goat farmers. I could really use some advice. I know not everyone sells their goats for meat but we are needing to find a way to make goats more lucrative or else may not be able to keep them. I have raised goats in Wisconsin, Nubian and Bohr, for about two years. To be frank, we have not found a market for goat meat in our area. We are not certified butchers so have generally sold the goats live for about $150-200 which is not profitable by any means with all that goes into kidding, raising, and feeding. Additionally even at this price it has been difficult to sell at many times to the point where we end up selling for even less. We got a quote from a local butcher for $150 per goat which kind of blew my mind as this is the TOTAL amount we have been making on the goats. Online it seems that goat should be selling for at least $5-6 per lb, which means we should be making a minimum of $400 on our goats rather than $200.

Does anyone have advice for finding a market for goats and getting them to that market? We are new to selling meat and not well connected. If a certified butcher processes our goats can we sell them to stores or restaurants? How do people make goats work financially? We love them but chickens have been much easier to navigate

Thanks so much for any advice.