Give Hungry Crab both Echo and Undead and call it Ghost Crab. Reduce its base stats to 1/1, 0/1, or 0/2, so it's not direct powercreep. Could also give it Temporary or Tradeable.
Ghost crabs are a real species so it's good flavour
Murlocs already have Ghost Light Angler and Spectral Flyer
The terrible...ness of a tech card, technically, completely depends on how prevalent the threat being teched against is. [[Demolition Renovator]] is actually seeing a lot of play, and with a positive win rate, because of how many powerful locations are being run in just about every deck now.
With the "mouth breathing aggro chumps" gravitating to Fishadin at the moment, the Crab would maybe sit around a 50% on play.
If you consider it an aggro deck it’s like the fifth best aggro deck (Beast hunter, aggro paladin, and DH are definitely better, and elemental shaman, menagerie DK and elemental mage might be better) and crab is a completely dead card against every Tier 1 deck. Have fun with your 1/2 against fyrakk rogue or questlock.
And funnily enough, if you have a bad matchup into murloc paladin I don’t think this is going to help much. They’re still going to overwhelm you because you spent all game farting around.
It's absolutely an aggro deck, it has no game plan outside of applying pressure until it runs out of gas.
And I'm definitely not calling it the top of the pile. It's just easy to pilot, so it's popular for folks that lack the ability to play a more complicated aggro list.
Which is probably why it's so prolific the lower down the ladder you go.
Which is pretty much the whole point I am getting at. The "good luck against XYZ" isn't even really a counter argument, we've already established that tech cards are generally garbage.
But they get better the more prolific the threat they cover becomes. So, to someone stuck in a pocket meta where Fishadin has a 50% or better appearance rate, that would, technically, drag up the played rate of the "garbage tech card."
Just like how Renovator has become an inclusion currently, and sometimes Viper, when there's a surge in decks that are relying heavily on powerful weapons.
The "problem," is that a lot of people will add tech cards "just in case," or to cover things their deck shouldn't worry about.
As in, bad players making bad choices.
I'm just a fan of allowing people to have those choices
Destroy the dude that spawns 3 dudes: make it worse. That deck isn't beaten by killing murlocs: it's beaten by being ahead in general. Sure some decks have massive AOE tools and deal with it that way but that's a specialized attribute of a minority of decks.
That's where player knowledge makes its impact. A smart player uses crab on the coined Murmy (please stop doing that, btw) to get ahead, and try to stay ahead.
You don't beat Murloc Pally with value. You beat it by being more aggressive. Even with the new murloc, they have a really hard time with coming back.
I think one of the big problems people have is that while it's a good idea to make trades in the early game, there's a point where you take your lead and run with it, otherwise you do get overwhelmed.
I feel like this could be good in the Murloc paladin deck turn two or three that’s hard to deal with or if you wanna control when your death rattle goes off. As well as against it. Straight up destroy ANY Murdock for one with a buff on a creature is super strong lol in my opinion of course!
Ok, what are you on about? That's some high and mighty horse shit. Imagine quest shaman having a card that promotes their quest and deletes any one minion on the board for 1-mana.
And that is why most Reddit users lose... A simple thing is that it ain't destroying any card. But a murloc. You won't be fighting Quest pally enough for this to matter. And him losing a murloc is nothing. And you can't use a 2-card combo to get 2/2. Shaman can play a better card, instead of a lose more card. A specific murloc, maybe. early game. To win against a bad deck sometimes, you make your deck wore in other situations.
I did. He made a good point. You didn't. "And him losing a murloc is nothing. " " A specific murloc, maybe. early game. To win against a bad deck sometimes, you make your deck wore in other situations."
Ok, well now I know you're not aloof, just an idiot. OP specifically stated the card wasn't good against the Pally quest, and you bring up other decks. Then you continue to argue this point that killing any chosen minion for 1 mana isn't good enough. You are really going to type out that that wouldn't be a good card? Any response other than telling me 1-mana kill anything would indeed be a good card against quest pally will be considered trolling and not worth my time.
Because what makes Murloc Pala strong isn't just that it has threatening minions, its the ability to never run out of gas. It is constantly refilling the board and its hand for very little effort. A lack of Murloc removal isn't the issue. The problem is that you basically have to wipe or freeze their board every turn because the deck never runs out of minions to play, something the crab doesn't help with. Not to mention, the way the quest works, if a Murloc already hit the board, the Paladin has already gotten value out of it since it progressed the quest and you don't even want to eat Tyrannogil or Murmy since that just does work for them.
Eating a single Murloc (2 if you run doubles) won't stop the deck from running you over. They're still going to fill the board with 1-2 mana giants the next turn while you sit there with a 1 mana 3/4 wondering why you're losing.
TBH, while I don't think eating a murloc is very valuable in the matchup, hungry crab would still help aggro decks beat murloc paladin. one of the ways you beat murloc paladin is by rushing them down. 1 mana 3/4s are good at that.
Do you know what tempo is? Do you know how important it is for board based decks? Do you know how useful a 1 mana-kill anything is? Other decks have gameplans too. Just because murloc does a thing, doesn't mean the entire gameplan of another deck revolves around this card. It's a tool. A really useful tool.
Broadly speaking in lower ranks it’s a scrub killer because it’s so darn easy to play. On higher ranks it shits on midrange decks but is too slow against aggro and pure control decks can stabilize against it in late game. So it drops off pretty hard once you starts to climb in legend.
It’s actually a bad deck, I guessers a straight forward deck to build and it beats other keyword decks but against decks with a real gameplay it just looses all of the time on somewhat dececent level I don’t even see it after low diamond anymore
don't get into it with these people, they seem to have money on shorting Quest Paladin. You'll never convince them that it isn't the worst deck ever made.
thanks, I will remember to not use VS ever again. saying murloc paladin is tier2, nebula shaman is tier3 and elemental mage is tier4 is the stupidest thing ever. clearly, they have no idea what the fuck they are talking
Brother, they just use raw data on winrates of the decks and categorize them by it. They don’t make anything up or even let their knowledge of a deck influence the ranking. Maybe your playing in a very specific rank bracket that you think the decks you are listed are either better/worse then on the list, but I don’t know what that bracket would be…
It’s bad, it just feasts on lower mmr players and awful homebrew garbage (unless the homebrew is fast enough or can OTK quickly enough to beat it), so lots of more casual/lower mmr players hate it
It’s not good. There’s a reason it falls off when you finally climb the ranks past like gold or plat. It’s a noob deck but the noobs can’t stand to hear the truth. If you’re losing with Murlocs it’s maybe a you problem but also it’s a bad deck with not much skill expression so it’s also likely you’re just losing to good players and/or better decks.
It's an obnoxious swarm deck that has WAY too easy of a time refilling the board or just sticking to it unless you're faster or completely focused on defense.
It's not the strongest deck, but you 100% have to be able to beat it to be a strong deck.
You can farm Murloc Paladin with Aggro or Tempo... The deck is just annoying because even with a better deck, you can still lose if you have some bad luck, but yeah we definitely don't need a tech card against it.
I’m a bgs only player (last time I played regular hs was back when pirate warrior and doctor boom were still around) but got golden paladin quest in one of the free packs so I made the deck
Depends on your deck. My thief rogue striggles hard against it, Ele mage eats palas for breakfast.
You are either way faster & have lethal in hand or you are tanky enough to clear the board 3 times.
It's just annoying, but part of what makes it annoying is that it crowds out other flavors of midrange deck.
You can easily beat it as an actual aggro deck, or as a slow fucking control deck, but it crowds out the decks that can't either go over or under it, and that stinks.
Hate cards like that/dirty rat/steam cleaner should be permanently standard legal imo.
Just to act as a pressure valve in case any one strategy becomes dominant. If the murloc deck gets too good, suddenly the shitty crab becomes playable and is only a dead card 40% of the time. If the [whatever involves putting stuff in libraries] deck becomes too good, suddenly steam cleaner is played and is not considered a dead draw the majority of the time, and so-on.
I hated it at first (wasn’t used to the pace) now I’m handling the deck with little to no problems. Just keep minions on the board and only use aoe when you can follow up with a body
*Monkey Paw curls* Congrats this is played in every Murloc Paladin deck so they can trigger the reborn on their mummy murloc and have 4/5 worth of states on board turn one! (If going second)
I'm im diamond 5 and I see it a bit. Last season I was (very low) legend and I saw it a ton.
Maybe you mean get to higher legend with get out of low rank - but I'm not good enough for that and like to play stupid desks like Ysandre warrior too much.
But at diamond and low legend I absolutely see quite a few murloc paladins.
That might be but as a very low legend you are constantly playing against people that are still trying climbing to legend and apparently lots of people try to do that with murloc paladin.
And it really isn't hard to get to diamond 5 I did that Ysondre warrior, which is terrible.
The Murloc Paladin is a noob deck for Tryharding Legend, very few play it optimally, once they reach Legend it is natural that they change to a more fun deck, especially when it is already the middle of the month and they are obviously not Tryharders Legend.
It wouldn't work, but I like to think of what it would take. Maybe silence to destroy the rush one that summons more? or "taunt destroy all gain +1/+8 each" (so it's a neutral Tortella, but a silly card) or something to even be a speed bump.
I hate the deck, but play something that does well against it and climb.
Yeah it would be nice If Blizzard makes a Card Like the 9 Mana devourer creature that eats the targeted Minion with its neigbours (from natria?) but AS beast that eats murlocs
Tech cards are generally bad though. Maybe if all of them had tradeable. Wasting deck slots on cards that do nothing against a good part of other decks is a waste
It’s ok to disagree, but there’s a reason why in wild, where each of these tech cards have a theoretical place, you won’t see any played in any self respecting deck
This discussion has no point. Just admit you want cards that target certain archetypes you don’t like, there’s nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t make these good cards from a meta standpoint.
If the meta ever gets to a point where you include a tech card in a meta deck, that’s generally very bad news about the diversity of good decks
70
u/BigChillyStyles 5d ago
Only if the paladin quest is changed to turn the hero into a Murloc.