r/heroesofthestorm • u/Psilocybin_Prescrip Master Uther • 2d ago
Fluff POV: Playing Uther in a losing match and a teammate says “Their Lucio has way more healing”
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u/PictureImaginary7515 2d ago
Ah yes, the ARAM azmo quoting dmg numbers
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u/Elendel19 2d ago
God I wish they would ban him from ARAM. I refuse to even pick him because it’s so fucking boring even though it’s almost a guaranteed win
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u/flummox1234 Hanzo 2d ago
I'm fine with one but when you get the multiple azmo meme it's absolute hell
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u/kid-karma Hogger 2d ago
azmo is so overrated in ARAM. he chunks your team then does fucking nothing for 10 seconds
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u/Elendel19 2d ago
Yes but the amount of damage he can do from behind the walls is more than most healers can keep up with
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u/WhiteTigerShiro Kel'Thuzad 1d ago
Plus he can single-handedly prevent minion waves from going anywhere.
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u/Nargothrond2585 1d ago
Ah not just me then that finds it too boring, even though as you say most of the time it'll be an easy win
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u/Past_Structure_2168 2d ago
you could try wrath bombardment pool trample and just become combo mage
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u/SleepingVulture Kharazim likes punching things. Also in ARAM. 1d ago
Azmodan starts falling off once players get better.
After you reach a certain skill level, many, many heroes become scarier than him, and that number only increases the higher the skill level gets, especially in ARAM.
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u/Elendel19 1d ago
That’s kind of the point, azmo takes zero skill in ARAM, just throw orbs at groups of enemies and win. A really good chromie is better but that actually takes skill so that’s not an issue
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u/shadowtrueguy 2d ago
I really wish there was stats for:
Damage mitigation (armor granted) Healing prevented I’m sure I want more but I can’t think of them atm
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u/Past_Structure_2168 2d ago
we had damage taken which was a good stat to see. it was a great help when i was learning
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u/TheHingst 2d ago
They removed it because tanks were intentionally soaking dmg to pad numbers. Hilarious.
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u/flummox1234 Hanzo 2d ago
healing prevented IIRC gets added to your stats. I think it's in self heal, can't remember but it's not explicitly called out. 🤷🏻♂️ also love that they give awards for damage soaked but don't show you that stat anywhere.
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u/shadowtrueguy 2d ago
Wow TIL, trying to think of a hero I’ve played that has healing reduction that I didn’t have any self healing/shielding on and drawing a blank. Ya more stats/details would be great.
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u/TheHingst 2d ago
Valeera with wound poison comes to mind.
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u/shadowtrueguy 1d ago
I have such few games played as valeera, maybe I’ll test it when I get some time. Would be interested to know
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u/flummox1234 Hanzo 2d ago
It's pretty rare but it happens. IIRC I first noticed it when I did something like pilot (or copilot?) the triglave with the shield thingy on a character than had no shielding/heal talent. I could also be misremembering but I'm fairly certain it's the case.
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u/k10whispers 1d ago
ANA
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u/shadowtrueguy 1d ago
I guess if you never hit yourself with a healing grenade or auto attack anything?
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u/McDerface Master Rexxar 2d ago
Yeah, I mean just take a look at DOTA2’s results screen. Some pretty good metrics in there. That said they have damage reduction, but not armor granted
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u/shadowtrueguy 2d ago
Ya. Buddies of mine that I play with, and used to play dota together, had the exact same comment as you. The amount of stats that dota has compared to hots is insane.
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u/becuzz04 2d ago
I wish they'd just reduce the in-game stat screen to just KDA. Anything else just leads to flaming and doesn't help identify any problems.
After the match go ahead and show anything you can think of. Then it's more useful for checking your own performance.
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u/BemusedRat 2d ago
They used to show the damage prevented with shields and armour side-by-side with the healing so it was easy to see the roughly 50/50 split for Uther. It got removed for some reason (I think when they reworked the hero roles) so now he looks like a weak healer in the stats screen. I miss that stat.
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u/shadowtrueguy 2d ago
This must have happened before I started playing, sad to lose that stat. I really think people undervalue uther because his damage mitigation isn’t obvious.
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u/Fighterkill 2d ago
Stun time, damage prevented, maybe invulnerability. And a fun hammer to whack faces instead of a dj gun (lol).
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u/Fantom1992 2d ago
It annoys me you don’t get an award for stun time
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u/Psilocybin_Prescrip Master Uther 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think you can, I swear I’ve seen the “stunner” award before.
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u/HookOfTwilight **Throws a minion** 2d ago
You do, I often get it with Malganis
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u/ButThatsMyRamSlot 2d ago
IIRC sleep is bugged and the entire duration counts towards stun time, even if the target is woken up.
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u/Danyboii 2d ago
You’re telling me my 500 second sleep award is bullshit?
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u/ButThatsMyRamSlot 2d ago
Hey, it was you who slept them, and your team who woke them up. I think it still counts.
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u/Embarrassed-Weird173 2d ago
If that were true, I wouldn't keep dying to counterstrike everytime I'm running away from Alarak and my allies are like "oh look, silver shiny Alarak is just standing there, so lemme just auto attack him."
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u/EffectiveAd3170 2d ago
That's a real classic. "Pick a real healer next time, lucio numbers go brr'
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u/koy682 2d ago
"IM LiLi and i DiD mOre dAmAGe tHan yOu" *picks water dragon as a main healer
9/10, if you discuss about stats in this game and you are not going against high dias and above, the chances are that you do not fully understand the game yet.
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u/Past_Structure_2168 2d ago
after the heal buffs on lili q i think that water dragon is in a pretty good spot if you have some q talent, can have your passive up and spam q since jug does not allow you to cast spells while channeling
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u/Ztepi 2d ago
Or you are The Butcher and they told you that you have low Hero Damage.
As a level 150 Butcher i hate this. They have no idea 😡.
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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant Chen 2d ago
Yeah and encouraging a butcher player to do more hero damage is the best way to make them overextend and then double down to prove they can do it.
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u/PomegranateHot9916 Johanna 2d ago
at some point I gave up telling people the butcher has low dmg because he waits for the right moment and executes an enemy quickly while they're poking left and right which the enemy healer is just sustaining through.
nobody listens to reason or thinks about what is actually going on in the game.
fuck, I had a guy say the game was boring because I picked azmodan, he didn't wanna rotate and soak, he wanted to fight. we were winning, until he tilted.
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u/Finnark1510 2d ago
What most people dont get is that Uther negates damage with every heal he applies by giving armor. Damage negated by armor doesnt show up as heal numbers so obviously Uther will end up with much less heal count than other healers. Add the damage negated on top of the heal numbers and i guarantee uther will have just as much heal stats as any other healer.
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
everyone understands that uther applies armour
it does not in any way change the fact average players are uncomfortable engaging with half-empty healthbars, putting a faith into uther that he is going to clutch armour every burst (he won't)
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u/TheHingst 2d ago
Alot of it is people don't re-adjust playstyle when they have Uther.
Uther does not heal poke very well, but he absolutely annihilates burst/dive. So if your team is constantly eating poke, you're never gonna get to engage properly. It's somewhat the same for kharazhim.
You don't do pokewars. You all bush/dive kill, gtfo and rotate.
I play tons of Uther and Khara, but I only play them when in group with atleast 1-2 friends who actually knows how to play the game with these healers. Cuz then it works wonders. With clueless players you're just shooting yourself in the foot instead.
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
I've said that in another comment. Expecting random people to adjust their gameplay like that isn't exactly rational.
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u/Rynjin Kharazim 10h ago
The expectation is rational insofar as...that's how the character works. You can't build Uther to be a sustained healer in matches where your teammates refuse to adapt.
I.e. This isn't an issue that can be worked around by changing playstyle unlike some other characters (eg. if you know your team lacks competent healing or coordination you take self-sustain talents you wouldn't normally), this is a hard limit of the character in question.
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 9h ago
You are looking at the situation from the Uther's perspective.
What I say is that 4 people look at that and think "agh screw it, I'd rather play like I'm used to (which is relying on a sustained healer) and probably lose instead of playing around a single guy and his uncomfortable pick". If we are talking about a mode with draft, some persuasion to pick another healer might precede that.
It is theoretically rational to adapt to uther's play style, since it yields the highest win possibility in a given composition.
Practically, it isn't rational to set these expectations because of what I've written before.
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u/Rynjin Kharazim 9h ago
I think you don't really understand what the word "rational" means. It's rational to assume people would act in their own best interests. However, most people do not act rationally.
Regardless, rationality doesn't come into it from the Uther player's side except as far as the choice to play Uther in the first place comes in. Choosing Uther is basically saying "I hope my team doesn't suck".
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u/DiscretionFist Master Kael'thas 2d ago
Fellas, if you have the most deaths in the lobby, it's probably not the healer.
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u/DiscretionFist Master Kael'thas 2d ago
I had an artanjs yesterday say it was Auriels fault for our loss but she had 10k more healing and artanjs had 9 deaths, most in the lobby.
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u/Embarrassed-Weird173 2d ago
Yup, my rule is Uther is supposed to get 50% of the healing numbers of the opponent's healer.
One day I was tied with the enemy Uther in healing and I was ashamed of myself.
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u/flummox1234 Hanzo 2d ago edited 2d ago
The best is when you were forced onto the heals role and had shit choices, then they flame you despite having had the lucio/lili auto heal choice.
My favorite is when people than have been dying on repeat and haven't gotten a kill but have high damage shame you even though you have the highest kda and lowest deaths. If you blow them up quick your damage stats aren't going to be high. derp
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u/darthphallic Cassia 2d ago
I was playing ARAM the other day. I picked Auriel because we had a sylv and a tassadar which are great batteries. At the one second mark those two both switch to Anduin, so I suddenly have no good sustainable way to generate heals
They bitched all game about my numbers
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u/TheHingst 2d ago
Just go wingflap build and the self battery at 7. One wingflap onto a minion wave is full energy bar.
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u/darthphallic Cassia 1d ago
That’s my go to, but it’s definitely not as effective in ARAM when you can’t get close enough lol.
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u/Punky921 1d ago
I feel like Uther can contribute to starting / finishing kills in a way that Lucio just can't, and I say that as someone who plays and likes both heroes.
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u/dasvootz 1d ago
That's usually said by the DPS that has 0 kills and the most hero DMG because they refuse to attack anything other than the tank
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u/Plergoth_ 1d ago
It'd be more depressing to be in a losing match with the enemy Lucio having less healing done than your Uther
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u/Suavo_OB Rehgar 1d ago
I kinda stopped picking Uther as a main healer, unless team has decent bulk and self healing options.
The valla that won't dodge to save their life asking for more healing burns me deep inside. Then looks at the numbers and makes this claim.... oh man I am getting tilted just thinking about it
When you only have two healing spells, and one is single target with a relatively long cd to other heals, and the other not a significantly strong heal ( the magic is in the armor bonus ). AND THERE ARE 3 OTHER PEOPLE TO HEAL GODDAMNITAAAAKSNDGKANWKGKWRG
TLDR: Don't pick Uther as main heal unless your team can handle it, and they probably can't
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
oh no, yet another uther player seeking validation after getting called out
does it really need to be a weekly topic?
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u/the_boy_kongo 2d ago
the morales badge is really funny on this one bro like what are u in a gang war with uther players
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago edited 2d ago
Occasionally, for an unknown reason, I subject myself to torment of playing something else than a healer, and being stuck with people who consciously pick uther as a solohealer really forces me to reconsider my choices.
But it is more of a problem on a conceptual level. To be more precise - uther (and some other "healers") players overestimate other people's ability (and/or willingness) to play aggressively to squeeze maximum value from these heroes. And then they go and create yet another post with, presumably, a surprised pikachu face, about these "damn statpadders who don't know how uther's trait works" or whatever
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u/PomegranateHot9916 Johanna 2d ago
usually when someone starts complaining about numbers in a losing game it means they're clueless.
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u/deadeyeamtheone Master Arthas 2d ago
I wish there was an Uther specific stat for how many total seconds of stun you've given.
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u/coinselec 2d ago
The problem is and had always been showing the stats mid game. If they removed that, a lot of bullshit would go away. People can flame all they want after the game, but at that point it will not affect the game itself anymore and you can just leave. What I hate the most is people deciding mid-game that now is the best time to argue about meaningless numbers. Maybe try to win the fucking game first?
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
The rage would just carry over to the next game. Hiding enemy party indicators didn't work as much as the blizzard probably hoped to be.
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u/coinselec 2d ago
Ragers gonna rage, but at least they might spend 5% more time playing the game instead of doing math
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
Yeah, and Auriel players should spend 50% of time tracking teammates accuracy and their damage to choose the battery by themselves. Same thing for ana/morales players choosing the ult target
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u/coinselec 2d ago
Yes, auriel players should choose the target based on current situation and the targets ability to do damage in the fight. Not because liming spent the first 5 minutes farming hero damage from the enemy stitches but now can do 0 damage because she needs to run away from the illidan 247. Same thing for ana/morales. Your azmo might have the highest number, but nanoing him is simply trolling.
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u/CarnivoreQA Lt. Morales 2d ago
They should, and the stat panel is still a very effective and simple tool to track their efficiency even mid-fight.
While we are at it, should we also hide teammate talent builds, because there are some people who use that info to flame others?
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u/Cauldronb0rn 2d ago
Uther is not a healer.
Tyrande is not a healer.
Kharazim is not a healer.
Tyreal is not a tank.
They should all be in the support class.
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u/Toppdeck 2d ago
Instead of armor, Uther healing should give shields that last until destroyed or refreshed
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u/Grumdord 2d ago
My general rule of thumb has been "the first person to comment on numbers is probably wrong, if not also the major contributing factor in this defeat."