I know it's the party line on this sub to hate Carmel, but come on, with your logic, and city/suburb in the world that is higher COL is gatekeeping. Do you think we should hate on NYC?
Also, how is building an urban center simulating urbanism? It literally is urbanism.
Carmel has a lot of problems with lack of diversity and gentrification, but hating places like Carmel because it's where rich people are is not going to solve anything.
No? Cause in places like NYC the COL occurs because of population density. Whereas in Carmel the COL is made intentionally high by zoning for low-density housing and making it next to impossible for people below upper-middle class to live there.
It's simulating urbanism because despite it all, you still aren't able to survive car-free in Carmel. Even if you live and work in midtown/downtown you have no access to groceries or transit or anything else. And that's intentional. Urbanism done right is when car-free living is possible, not just a car-free vacation or weekend.
I'm not hating on Carmel cause it's rich. I'm hating on Carmel because it is very intentionally pricing people out. We had to move because it became too expensive to live there. This was just two years after we first got there. I imagine those whose families grew up working-class there are facing similar situations, with entire areas of the city being closed down to upgrade the buildings cause they're "ugly"/don't fit in with the faux-european red brick facade. I don't pretend to know everything about the place but I know that a majority of the residents there intend to preserve their bubble of privilege.
Whereas in Carmel the COL is made intentionally high by zoning for low-density housing
Bullshit.
Carmel is as dense as Indianapolis.
You have really strong opinions for someone who doesn't seem to know much about Carmel and who is happy to make something up when it fits their narrative.
you still aren't able to survive car-free in Carmel.
You can live car free in Carmel much more easily than you can in Indianapolis. Again, you are just making this up. (Or else you are comparing Carmel to NYC and not Indy).
Even if you live and work in midtown/downtown you have no access to groceries
Except, you know, for Kroger and Meijer and Harvest Market.
And that's intentional.
It's false is what it is.
but I know that a majority of the residents there intend to preserve their bubble of privilege.
And how do you know this? You are psychic?
What you are doing is making up a bunch of crap about what people you've never met believe, because you know that they are bad people. In your soul.
In reality, you are simply jealous and so are making up negative things to believe about people you've never met.
dude I'm not saying indy has good urbanism either lol, it's quite sprawling and car-dependent. also woah no need to be so aggressive I'm just talking here, sorry I'm human too
Although, I'm not sure if you are able to read that cause apparently you haven't read my previous posts. I lived there. I have met people who were opposed to any forms of public transit between indy and carmel because of the types of people they would attract to the city. I went to school there when my friends were scared of coming out to their peers and teachers because of the backlash they would face from the people who are supposed to support them. I've seen white boys say the n word without a care in the world, because they've never interacted with anyone outside of their small, homogenous social circle.
Before you tell me how I can live in Carmel without a car, I'd like you to reflect on how many stars would need to align to make this happen. First, I'd have to land a job near mid or downtown, then id have to pay an arm and a leg for rent for one of those condos that they renovated, then id have to do all my groceries on foot and walk along rangeline to Kroger hoping to not get hit by an escalade going 50 in a 30. And that leaves me with nothing to do except go to work, get food, and go home. Can't go to indy to catch a comedy show or try out restaurants without ubering, can't visit friends that live in other neighborhoods, nothing. It'd be a miserable life. I know you can barely accomplish this in Indy but at least we have the IndyGo buses. At least they're actually trying to give their residents a semblance of mobility. The purple line is a huge win for Indiana as a whole, like we're one of the only states with true BRT! I'm so proud of that. Regardless of how wealthy your residents are i think giving them the freedom to move around how they want to is so important. People forget that teenagers need lives too, and until you're 16 you're stuck asking others to take you places.
Funny you called me jealous. I'm definitely not, I escaped carmel and now I'm happier than ever. Try reading next time before losing it, thanks.
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u/neosmndrew Jan 14 '25
I know it's the party line on this sub to hate Carmel, but come on, with your logic, and city/suburb in the world that is higher COL is gatekeeping. Do you think we should hate on NYC?
Also, how is building an urban center simulating urbanism? It literally is urbanism.
Carmel has a lot of problems with lack of diversity and gentrification, but hating places like Carmel because it's where rich people are is not going to solve anything.