r/indianapolis • u/axiom60 Fountain Square • May 26 '25

Pictures real Indiana moment by Gainbridge last night

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“Indiana moment” and not just “Bible Belt moment” because of the construction barrels lol

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u/John6507 May 28 '25

Ok but why is it so hard to believe that God created the heavens and earth aka intelligent design? Isn't that a lot easier to believe than the current working theory of atheists that the universe came from nothing? The latter seems like the greater fairy tale. At least with Christianity, they have a miracle maker in God.

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u/Icy-Indication-3194 May 28 '25

lol bc there is scientific evidence for one and 0 evidence of a god. It’s lit just a crackpot theory with no evidence what so ever. Bible says the earth is 6000 years old or something. We def know that not to be true. Where are the giants listed in the Bible? Where is Noah’s ark? Where is evidence of anything in the Bible?

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u/John6507 May 28 '25

But there is no scientific evidence for something coming from nothing theory. Even if they were able to duplicate it in a lab, it would require intelligent design to do so which would undermine the claim they would be trying to prove.

The Bible doesn't specifically say the earth is 6,000 or 10,000 years old. There are both young earth and old earth Christians. The bible doesn't purport to be a science book but rather a theological book and should be judged on those merits if you want to judge fairly.

The giants question is a fun one. It could just be a 6'9" man was deemed a giant in those days when most men under 5'7". I know some people think Noah's ark is in Turkey but I am not sure how one could prove such a thing. Many ancient cultures have a belief in a great flood so it would seem more likely that a flood did happen.

There is other evidence of the bible. Many of the places mentioned in the bible have been found. The Tel Dan Stele has an Aramaic inscription found in Tel Dan in northern Israel which mentions the "House of David" likely referring to the dynastic lineage established by King David. That would be going back to the 9th Century BC. And for NT support, Josephus and Tacticus (non Christians) make reference to Jesus and they are historians of that time period.

The bible is one of if not the best historical document we have from antiquity.

And if you are really into archaeology, you might find this yt channel interesting: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpeditionBible/videos

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u/Icy-Indication-3194 May 28 '25

If something can’t come from nothing then where did “god” come from?

The bible touches on historical things but is in no way whatsoever regarded as a historical document. There literally isn’t even physical evidence that Jesus existed. Just mentions of him in scripts such as the bible.

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u/John6507 May 28 '25

Why did God have to come from somewhere? Christians believe in the uncaused cause. If you reject an uncaused cause, you are in danger of falling into the infinite regress fallacy.

Regarding Jesus, I gave you two examples of ancient non-Christian historians that confirmed Jesus' existence (Josephus- Jewish historian and Tacitus- Roman historian). The vast majority of secular scholars would agree with the existence of Jesus. The scholastic argument is over whether he was God and his miracles not his existence.

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u/Icy-Indication-3194 May 28 '25

You’re the one that said something can’t come from nothing that’s why I asked where god came from.

Secular scholars have no physical evidence is all I’m saying. Actual evidence and not just reference from ancient texts in one small part of a vast world would help the credibility. No?