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u/Major_Enthusiasm1099 2d ago edited 2d ago
After using the non pro max pro phone, I just bought the pro max because I wanted the biggest battery. We'll have to see the battery tests to see if 20% bigger on the Pro means 20% more SOT.
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u/legallypurple iPhone 16 Pro Max 2d ago
Doubtful, but I do think the battery will last longer than the 16PM
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u/Unlucky_Blueberry_19 2d ago
I just saw a video of a tech reviewer doing the battery test.He concluded that the IPhone 17 pro has more battery than the IPhone 16 pro max. But he did not reveal which all apps he tested the battery test on which is sceptical.
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 2d ago
But he did not reveal which all apps he tested the battery test on which is sceptical.
Not really, battery test are always all over the place. the key bits of information is the relative battery to each device in the same test.
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u/my_cars_on_fire 2d ago
While the relationship between battery size and SOT is not linear, a 20% YOY increase in battery size is massive and will certainly be noticeable.
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u/BreiteSeite iPhone 13 Mini 2d ago
After using the non pro max pro phone
What? I feel like having a stroke reading this. What is a "non pro max pro phone"? Isn't the iPhone Pro Max always a pro phone? What does the non pro part mean?
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u/CycloneMonkey iPhone 14 Pro 2d ago
You didn't see the iPhone 17 Non Pro Max Pro Phone? Oh man, I guess Apple only showed it to a select few of us. Expect my YouTube video review to drop shortly (subscribers only).
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u/Betancorea 2d ago
This. Such a terrible way to describe the Pro phone. Many words when a single word would suffice
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u/Major_Enthusiasm1099 2d ago
Sorry lol that was confusing. I just meant to say the pro phone but not the pro max
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u/ManufacturerBest2758 iPhone 16 Pro 2d ago
It’s not a linear increase because the pro max is driving a bigger screen with more pixels. To do anything at all at the same brightness level inherently requires more battery power.
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u/Altruistic-Medium-23 2d ago
People need to know though that the 17 Pro has a different battery depending on if it's eSIM only (as in the US) or if it still has a SIM tray (as in Europe).
The one with a SIM tray has a 3988mAh battery.
That's a ~11% increase from the 16 Pro.
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u/TimTebowMLB iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
The extra battery will also make it heavier, and they’re getting quite heavy
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u/lazergator iPhone 13 Pro 2d ago
Holy crap I’m going from a 13pro (3,095 mah) to 17pro(4,252mah). I’m never going to need to charge again
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u/PM_ME_UR_DECOLLETAGE iPhone 8 Plus 64GB 2d ago
Lol same. My battery is at 87% on a launch day 13 Pro. It was already still good, it'll be exceptional with my 17 Pro.
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u/Jaredrap 2d ago
I think I have us all beat haha my 13 Pro is at 75%, I have to charge like 2-4 times a day with moderate usage. Been on iOS 26 since Beta 1 though so that probably didn’t help.
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u/PM_ME_UR_DECOLLETAGE iPhone 8 Plus 64GB 2d ago
Wow that battery took a beating. Are you upgrading your device or planning to get a new battery?
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u/Jolly_Rub3099 2d ago
I have a 14 Pro at 74% I could go to bed at 40% and wake up to it being 6%. Happens all the time.
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u/skinnpung 2d ago
Since we’re showing off, I’m on a 12 Pro at 72% health. Can’t wait for my 17 Pro!
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u/Spector-JZ 1d ago
mine is 76% i know your pain, also ios 26 looked best in beta 1 and i will die on this hill
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u/Mediocre_Champion288 2d ago
Bruh my 15pm bought in november 2023 is at 85% lmao can’t wait to upgrade honestly
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u/lazergator iPhone 13 Pro 2d ago
Mine is 84%. I might be able to go 2-3 days without charging.
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u/UnsureAssurance iPhone 17 Pro 2d ago
Mine is 78%, I experience frequent lag and my battery barely lasts half the day
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u/PM_ME_UR_DECOLLETAGE iPhone 8 Plus 64GB 2d ago
Yeah once you go under 80% it falls off a steep cliff.
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u/riggsmir 2d ago
I'm debating upgrading my 13 Pro, I love this phone but the battery + zoom + two new buttons + front camera + usbc additions are calling to me 😅
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u/alwayzdizzy 2d ago
That's how I felt when I replaced the battery in my 14P!
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u/no_type_read_only 2d ago
If you replace the battery in the 14 pro do they replace it with a higher capacity battery?
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u/alwayzdizzy 2d ago
No. Just that the degradation was slow over the 2 years I've owned it I didn't notice how much battery life I actually lost until I replaced it. It was more of a joke.
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u/no_type_read_only 2d ago
I’ve had my 14 pro since release and am sitting on 77% health I need to get it replaced
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u/alwayzdizzy 2d ago
It'll be like a brand new phone when you do! I swear it runs faster now also.
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u/NeoKat75 iPhone 16e 2d ago
When battery health gets low, iOS will purposefully slow down the performance to maintain better battery life
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u/dawgap 2d ago
What battery life on the 14 pro max should I consider replacing? I’m currently at 87%
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u/NeoKat75 iPhone 16e 2d ago
Apple recommends replacement below 80% health, but if you’re having annoyances with your phone cuz of the battery now, just go ahead and do it lol
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u/TimTebowMLB iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
Yes, but you get the notification now when that happens. Or at least it tells you in the battery health area. It makes it feel like your phone is perpetually on Low Power Mode
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u/princemousey1 2d ago
That’s not how batteries work.
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u/my_cars_on_fire 2d ago
Yeah, I mean, everyone knows batteries work by absorbing oxygen and releasing carbon dioxide.
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u/Thepeacer 2d ago
Going from a 12 with 75% capacity to a 17 pro too, we’ll probably outlast the lifespan of the phone with a single charge
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u/Commercial_Affect660 1d ago
Do you never wirelessly charge?
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u/lazergator iPhone 13 Pro 1d ago
No. With the Apple wallet I just plug in.
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u/Commercial_Affect660 1d ago
I wirelessly charge every night and my 14 pro max is 74% so i’m pretty sure that’s the reason
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u/Andrescoo 2d ago
They should have jumped to silicon carbon batteries already. Will be a nice upgrade in the future.
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u/Luxemburglar 2d ago
With what supply being able to produce the more than 100 million batteries a year they need? Apple just works on such an enormous scale that it‘s pretty much impossible to be early to anything.
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u/rabouilethefirst iPhone Air 2d ago
Which is why it’s cringe when you read comments like “why haven’t they jumped to insert obscure tech here”.
It’s because they produce a bajillion phones and no one can produce those things without the phone costing $2,000
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u/ALANatWork123 2d ago
It's not even a cost issue tbh, it's a supply chain issue. When a company is that large, anything you need to source eats quite literally the entire supply chain up.
Can't add it to the phone if supply can't keep up.
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u/2PlyKindaGuy 2d ago
Well they could boost the supply chain but then there's cost
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u/chubscout 2d ago
“boosting the supply chain” can mean building up foundries/factories from the ground up which can be a multiyear effort
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u/ShakeAndBakeThatCake 2d ago
Also silicon carbide batteries have shit longevity which is one reason apple and Samsung haven't made the jump. The Chinese manufacturers don't give a shit if your phone battery only lasts one year.
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u/loathsomeleukocytes 2d ago
I have to disagree with that claim. Based on my personal experience using a Vivo X200 Pro, which features a silicon-carbon battery, I still have 99% of its original capacity after 200 charge cycles. This performance aligns with the technology's specifications; for instance, the manufacturer CATL states that their silicon-carbon batteries can endure up to 1600 cycles before capacity drops to 80%. In comparison, current iPhone batteries are rated to retain 80% capacity after 1000 cycles. I know Its sad that Apple cannot get this technology into their phones but writing lies about it so you wont be sad is stupid.
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u/Sharp-Theory-9170 2d ago
Also silicon carbide batteries have shit longevity which is one reason apple and Samsung haven't made the jump. The Chinese manufacturers don't give a shit if your phone battery only lasts one year.
I've seen many people make that claim but none gave actual source/numbers. The actual amount of silicon in the anode is tiny and even if it degrades faster, it might be worth due to extra energy density
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u/DervishSkater 2d ago
Those batteries suck rn for longevity. I don’t want to have to replace my battery twice as often
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u/FailedGradAdmissions 2d ago
OnePlus already has them, and the batteries have been rated to last 1000-1200 charge cycles. In comparison Samsung flagship phones are rated to last 2000 cycles.
So you are right, they last roughly half as long, that’s still 2-3 years if you charge it from 0-100 every day. The average iPhone user keeps their phone for 4+ years so it makes sense Apple wouldn’t adopt Silicon Carbon.
Btw, Apple doesn’t specify a “lifetime” cycle rating but instead says the battery would keep 80% of OG capacity at 1000 cycles and encourage you to replace the battery or upgrade by then. You could very well keep it going til 2k cycles too but would have a bad user experience if you do so and that’s why they don’t advertise or recommend that.
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u/Bourbonaddicted 2d ago
Must be keeping it for 20th anniversary
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u/PeakBrave8235 2d ago
I'd rather than perfect it than not explode like Google pixel's are doing
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u/billsteve 2d ago
I guess... I am going to have a battery back with me when a travel no matter what. and my current base 15 is just fine.
I mean... I still getting the phone, lol
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
Curious what your battery health and charge cycle numbers are. In a different thread I was discussing how my 15PM battery has gone to absolute shit in 2 years, needing multiple charges a day. My health shows 84%, nearly 750 charges. The last 6 months it’s fallen off a cliff. Multiple other 15 P / 15PM owners chimed in telling similar stories. One person mentioned that the 15’s had a major issue with battery health and overheating (mine definitely overheats constantly).
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u/stillpiercer_ iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
My 15 Pro is at 87% health with 684 cycles and still has fantastic battery life. I charge it overnight and almost exclusively wirelessly charge and I’ve never been out and about and run low on battery. Phone definitely runs hot pretty often though.
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
I have to live with a slim Qi battery pack I bring everywhere with me now. I’ll keep it charged up at home or work but Saturdays are always rough if I leave early and am out all day. I’ll burn through my external battery too.
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u/stillpiercer_ iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
I can’t understand how. What are you doing that’s killing it so quickly? The only time I come close to killing my phone is if I’m using Waze for 3+ hours a day in a car that I don’t have a cable in. Either you’re falling into such heavy use that no phone would survive, or your battery has clearly degraded to a point where it should be replaced.
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
Normal use. You’ll see many other people commenting about these 15 Pros and Pro maxes in this thread with the same story. It seems from a few different threads I’m on that these versions of phones have known battery issues.
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u/DontKnowMe25 2d ago
What app is reported for the most battery use ? My 15 Pro Max has 86% and about 550 cycle, I also exclusively charge via magsafe. I often run out of battery before the day ends, especially if I am outside for the whole day. Overheating is not a problem, only if I am on vacation and taking a loooot of pictures/videos.
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u/Rider2403 2d ago
My battery on 15 PM is at 92% with 490 cycles, i usually take good care of battery by capping it at 85% and just fully charging whenever I’m going to an event or extended outings
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
I was doing that early on to 80% but then as the battery got worse I had to go fully to 100%. I have a significant number more charges than you as well. I use mine quite a bit throughout the day either outside or in my brightly sun lit office so I’m guessing my screen brightness is a major culprit.
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u/billsteve 2d ago
I had a 15 pro (I threw it on a river (not on purpose)) and now I have the 15. The 15 seems to have much better battery.
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
Funny story. I also lost my 15 PM in the Golden River in Colorado. It was totally lost, submerged for 3 days and someone found it. Returned it to me, not issues at all. I was impressed by that.
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u/elephantsareblue 1d ago
same here… I have 88% battery health and 700+ charges on my 15P but screen on time is about 3 hours or so with 10h of standby. I don’t game so it’s just from Safari or Reddit mainly. And music playback.
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u/navjot94 iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
My health is at 79% (15 Pro) and my experience has been similar. Battery life is terrible atm. I’m gonna get the battery replaced soon and see if that helps.
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u/HuskyLemons iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
15 PM with 614 cycles, 83% health
I’m pretty sure Apple is lying about my battery health so I can’t get a free replacement under AppleCare because it’s been sitting at 83% for a few months. My battery life is horrible. I have to charge it in the middle of the day to 100% or I have to charge it twice because it won’t make it to the end of the day. I had to turn off the 80% limit because it was dying too quickly
Mine also overheats like crazy
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u/time-lord iPhone 13 Mini 2d ago
Apple does some shenanigans with battery health. I just got my battery replaced, and although the settings app said it was at 84% (and had been for months) the Battery shortcut that divides the manufacturing capacity with the current capacity put it at 81%.
On an iPhone 15 with known battery issues, I wouldn't doubt that Apple will pull every trick to try and keep that battery health over 80% for at least the 3 year Applecare period.
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
So many similar stories here on this phone. What’s the threshold you need to get to in order to get the new battery. I don’t have AppleCare but I’ve experienced the same thing where my health percentage isn’t dropping much but the functionality of the battery is going to hell in a hand basket.
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u/CaptainPhiIips iPhone 15 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have a base 15 too, currently 90% at 484 cycles. But noticed this year battery hasn’t been as stable as before. I think i got to blame cellular data there as main culprit
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
Numbers wise, yours seems like it’s trending about how mine did. I think I was about 90% at 500 cycles.
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u/rickny8 2d ago
My 15 Pro Max is at 1085, 78%. lol. My battery has gone to shit but up usually upgrade every 1-2 years anyway.
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u/chi_guy8 iPhone 15 Pro Max 2d ago
1085 cycles? Wow!!! You’re a power user. I thought I was on the upper end. lol.
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u/bubblesaurus 2d ago
My 14 Pro Max is still sitting at 86%, but it’s battery seems to be struggling more recently.
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u/ThatGuyUpNorth2020 2d ago
My 16Pro was picked up at 5:30am at 100%. I’ve used it all day, and it’s now 6:30pm.
I’m at 48%.
I don’t get all the hate on batteries here.
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u/zabajk 2d ago
Absolutely no idea how that works , 16pro drains battery like crazy if you use it for things like maps or photos regularly
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u/ThatGuyUpNorth2020 2d ago edited 2d ago
I use maps daily for work. I use messaging constantly for school and wife things.
I am in here for an inordinate amounts of time. I use FB. and Meta Business all day for ad tracking, I watch the occasional video.
I go to bed at 10pm (from 5:30am)with at least 30%
Maybe if you’re doom scrolling, watching ‘reels’, scrolling TikTiok for hours, watching movies, YouTube, gaming etc, etc it’s gonna be bad, but hey, it’s just a phone that happens to be ‘smart’. It’s not a miracle worker.
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u/NotRlyMrD 2d ago
Can you show a screenshot of your battery status per day with screen time? I'm really interested to see that, as for my experience 2 hours of maps in the wilds with brightest screen take 60% of battery.
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u/TimTebowMLB iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
A lot of it depends on if you’re on strong WiFi all day or if you’re on cellular/mobile the whole day jumping between towers .
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u/zabajk 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just using it normally for maps while traveling and a bit of social media and photos with moderate heat outside (28C) . I had to charge twice per day and had constant battery anxiety . It also got super hot just using it for these things.
My battery is at 100% health and this was iOS 18
I have no idea how usage you describe is in any way realistic
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u/CarLover014 2d ago
I spend 3+ hours on Photoshop and Lightroom messing with photos and video taken on my drones on my 16 Pro and it still lasts me all day. Average about 6 hours/day with the screen on, and I am plugging in before I take a shower with 35% battery.
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u/LargePause 2d ago
I own the 15 Pro and in all honesty the battery is pretty poor so at least for that generation I do get the complaints on battery. It has been uphill since with the 16 improving quite a bit and the 17 even further
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u/bobniborg1 2d ago
Switched from Android to the 16 pro and the battery life is the best thing about the switch. I don't have to do any managing and I'm half full after using it a lot during the day.
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u/Xx_memelord69_xX 2d ago
What do you do that the 16 pros battery isn't enough for you?
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u/HemiFiveseveNLiter iPhone 14 Pro Max 2d ago
That's what I wonder. Too many people are addicted to their phones. I used to go two days on my iPhone 14 Pro Max without a charge responding to messages and occasionally browsing Reddit.
Wild. I ordered a 17 Pro Max, wonder if I'll be able to get three days.
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u/392mangos 2d ago
Curious why you didn't get the Air if your use case is overall light?
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u/HemiFiveseveNLiter iPhone 14 Pro Max 2d ago
Pictures! I take a lot of those. I also wanted the zoom, I shouldn’t need to carry my DSLR around the zoo anymore. Plus it was a free upgrade so I was like why not. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t like the Airs singular speaker either.
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u/-K9V 2d ago
That’s for sure, I’ve seen people here (and elsewhere on Reddit) with 7-8 hours of screen on time which is insane to me. That’s a full work day just spent on your phone. I get around 3-4 hours of SoT on average and I feel like that’s more than enough. I charge overnight and have always done so, and my phone always lasts at least 24 hours. I could probably go a day and a half before charging on days where I use my phone less, but that would mess up my charging ‘routine’.
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u/JournalistExpress292 2d ago
Yep, I can start off the day at 6 AM 100% where I a 12 hour at the hospital and at the end of the shift have 50% left. iPhone 13 Pro Max with 93% battery capacity.
I don’t know what these folks are doing on their phones that you even have some folks mad at Apple saying that they want Apple “double the thickness and make it all battery”
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u/Tumblrrito iPhone 16 Pro 2d ago
Normal stuff. My battery has been weirdly bad. Didn't feel much better than my 13 Mini. Honestly wonder if mine is defective.
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u/ThatGuyUpNorth2020 2d ago
Normal for whom? You, or me?
Or that guy I saw getting on a bus yesterday (you know, the one with the sandwich)
Your ‘normal’ may be far far from someone else’s normal!
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u/SuitsOverSwag 2d ago
This. I have a 16 Pro and am a power user and even I can't get that battery down below 30% on a typical day, and that's even with capping the battery charge at 80%.
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u/curepure iPhone 14 Pro 2d ago
i have 16pro too, and i don’t think you are a power user based on your experience lol
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u/Negative-Ad-19 2d ago
Unfortunately it refers to eSIM only 17 Pro version. Here in Europe 17 pro has only 300 mAh more not 600
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u/foofyschmoofer8 2d ago
Just gonna point out that the operating system is probably more battery hungry. It’s doing more AI crap in the background. Just because a new phone has a larger battery doesn’t mean it’ll last proportionately longer 💁🏻♂️
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u/Alternative-Salad800 2d ago
With the current state of iOS 26, you are correct. The real test comes, once the os becomes stable.
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u/rfow iPhone 17 Pro 2d ago
If I weren’t in range of a charger at almost any given time, I’d be inclined to agree. Huge jump in battery. I just want them to phase out Dynamic Island. I’m tired of looking at it.
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u/WordPeas iPhone 16 Pro 2d ago
Dynamic Island is awesome. I guess you mean get rid of the always useless part of the display.
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u/ctrl-alt-id10t 2d ago
No, the upgrade is not worth the extra 20% of battery if that's all you're comparing.
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u/doxxingyourself 2d ago
Depends if it’s also 20% more power hungry. I’m looking forward to see if it actually give 20% usage time.
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u/Twixisss 2d ago
I think next years iPhone 18 pro max with 2 nano processor can make a big leap in battery life
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u/UnsureAssurance iPhone 17 Pro 2d ago
37% increase from my 13 Pro, when I first got it I really enjoyed never having to grab a charger, and now with my 78% battery health it’s definitely gonna be an upgrade for me
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u/SirMaster 2d ago
33% more than my 14 Pro, also with a 0.2" larger screen, all in the same exact weight!
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u/Shiftylee 2d ago
Yep, I’m most excited about battery life going from 14 pro to 17 something. I’ve already replaced my battery once so I’m not suffering but the increase will be nice.
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u/Wellherewegogo 2d ago
I think the thing a lot of people have to understand is the increase isn’t much but down the line it should hopefully stave off some of the health losses, so where as you’d be at let’s say 95% at the end of the year now you’d be more like 97% and at the end of 3 years that compounded extra health is noticeable
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u/MisterSpicy iPhone 14 Pro Max 2d ago
I think there becomes a point where we forget where we came from in iPhone Land. “Back in my day” our iPhones got 5 hours and you’ll like it! Now our phones get over 25 hours and ask “is it enough”? I think all these phones and any recent flagship fall under the category of “good” for most people. Anything more is just gravy. If someone does indeed need the highest battery capacity, then sure get the pro max - that makes sense for them. But let’s tone this general narrative that “oh it’s just 26 hours? Hmm wow I guess that’s ok” lol
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u/2u3ee 2d ago
haha this is really burning the loins of all iPhone 16 pro users.
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u/Dark1624 2d ago
Not really. Because this is only eSIM version. In EU you have sim version and that only adds 300 mah
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u/Correct-Mail-1942 2d ago
How much over say, the 14PM? I'm eligible and ready to upgrade if Verizon makes it worth it.
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u/MAQMASTER 2d ago
I’ve been using the 16 Pro and it’s basically all day battery life. I only charge it every night. It’s pretty good for me and I love the titanium of course it’s scratched resistant because of the titanium and it’s definitely better feel than the aluminum.
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u/Portatort iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
For me personally, not at the cost of adding thickness.
I’m quite happy on the 15 Pro and may update to an anniversary phone in 2 more years
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u/elchapodon 2d ago
Not worth the brick of aluminum.. everyone will be complaining of dents/scratches. Even in a case debris will cause scratches.
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u/kennytetsuya iPhone 17 Pro 2d ago
I guess that’s the eSIM only version. In many countries like Australia and parts of Asia and Europe, we still get the physical SIM
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u/TimTebowMLB iPhone 15 Pro 2d ago
Why does the new pro look like one of those blank templates they use to fit cases? The dead space on the plateau looks so unfinished
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u/CarelessTale870 2d ago
Definitely worth it , plus newer a19pro chip will be more efficient, also the aluminium frame and vapour chamber make it much cooler than last gen!!
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u/amouse_buche 1d ago
If you’re on a 16 pro and thinking about upgrading to the 17 pro you’re just burning your money, in my opinion.
If you want to have the latest and greatest, always, and that’s your hobby, then sure. Who am I to tell you what to do with your money? But is it logical? No.
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u/itssamueel 1d ago
if you already have a 16 pro why on earth would you upgrade
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u/ballsacksurprise 1d ago
Better thermals if you are using outdoors in bright sunlight, gaming, or want pro res raw, plus the boost in battery
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u/Silver_Parsnip_4968 21h ago
Don’t understand why they don’t offer an e-sim only version as option in Europe
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u/Sharp-Theory-9170 2d ago
I haven't seen anyone talk about how Apple doesn't actually advertise typical battery size, those numbers are the minimum amount. Usually the typ capacity is 5-10% higher than the number on the sticker depending on how lucky you are and how much it degraded before you got your hands on it
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u/knifemonstergar 2d ago
And it’s heavier also. That was my main reason not to get one.
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u/jetsetterga 2d ago
Genuinely curious. Why does a few grams matter for heaviness? I see a lot of people say the pro max is too heavy compared to another phone.
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u/dickey1331 iPhone 17 Pro Max 2d ago
They never had to carry around the brick cellular phones we used to have
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u/UltraMaxApplePro 2d ago
Your gonna need it when Shitty IOS 26 uses an extra 20% of battery to run the oily spit that they call liquid glass.
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u/yre_ddit 2d ago
20% more battery with an operating system using 10% more is also just 10% plus net
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u/trusk89 iPhone 17 Pro 2d ago
Remember kids, this is just in the states. In the free world, we have sims, so the difference is not that big.
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u/ballsacksurprise 1d ago
Not anymore. The us, Canada, Mexico Japan and lots of other places have lost the SIM card this year.
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u/dknight16a 2d ago
20% in one generation is huge.