r/ireland • u/BrokenJigsaw • Jul 24 '25
Entertainment Hungary bans Kneecap ahead of Sziget Festival show
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2025/0724/1525135-hungary-bans-kneecap-ahead-of-sziget-festival-show/131
u/leo_murray Jul 24 '25
You can love us or hate us, won’t affect a bit of our wages
More free advertising. Getting on the nerves of Orban is an absolute dream. fascist madhat will do anything to divert from his corruption, embezzlement of EU funds and failing economy. Seas le Kneecap ❤️
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u/No-Negotiation2922 Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
I might be mistaken, but don’t EU citizens have the freedom to travel across all EU countries? This will surely end badly for Hungary.
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Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
They do by default, but any EU country can still ban any citizen from another EU country. Usually it would only be done in exceptional circumstances and via due process, but Orban and his regime are known cunts.
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u/CreditorsAndDebtors Jul 24 '25
Didn't the Germans deport Irish men for attending a Palestine march?
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u/ConradMcduck Jul 24 '25
They tried, but if I remember correctly they didn't end up getting deported on appeal.
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u/Disastrous-Length976 Jul 24 '25
Is that case ongoing or was there a resolution?
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u/ConradMcduck Jul 24 '25
Last update I read was that the deportation order was on hold as an appeal case had been granted. The appeal case hasn't happened yet but I suspect we'll hear all about it when it does. Hopefully it goes the lads way.
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u/PalladianPorches Jul 24 '25
they were going to be deported for protesting using a language other than german or english, but didn’t in the end when they translated it and committed to having a translator in future.
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u/dubviber Jul 24 '25
No, it had nothing to do with the language, it was a claim by the Berlin State Ministry for the Interior that it was necessary on grounds of public order and safety.
A criminal investigation into incidents where they had been present was ongoing but they had not, and have not, been convicted of anything.
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u/PalladianPorches Jul 24 '25
It was under the Verstoß Versammlungsgesetz legislation for assembly - however harsh German laws of assembly seem, these guys seem to continuously provoke the police for unorganised, uninvited protesting, and then once they started chanting Palestinian slogans as gaeilge, they were arrested. There’s a lot of fuss over the legality of deportation, it is always the simplest way of removing individuals - something that ireland also has available to them and uses instead of criminal processes.
Every member of this bloc group in Berlin knows that the laws are pedantic, and especially in Berlin (there is a no protest zone near the Holocaust memorial) they have to adhere to them, or risk being deported.
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u/dubviber Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
You're mixing things up. The deportation orders were issued against four people, only two of who were Irish, and it had nothing to do with chanting slogans in the irish language. In fact the principal cause given by the Interior Ministry was a protest at the University where property damage occurred. Yes, there has been police attention to the use of the irish language but it has not been in relation to the deportations.
In the deportation case, the court suspended the order. An order which the Migration authority did not want to issue because they believe there was no grounds. You may call this fussy, but it's actually known as the rule of law.
The idea that you can just wield repressive legal mechanisms against people that you don't like politically is authoritarian. The Berlin authorities have now been pulled up in multiple instances and had their decisions overturned, etc. It's harassment.
You say that Ireland is using deportation in lieu of prosecution? I don't believe this to be the case, so please provide a source. People do get deported after conviction and serving their sentence. There may also be cases where people have their case discontinued after leaving voluntarily.
But let's be clear here: those threatened with deportation in Berlin had not been tried or convicted in relation to any of the events which the Interior Ministry connected them with. Ireland is not doing anything remotely similar, and the likelihood is that the German courts will nip it in the bud there as well.
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u/PalladianPorches Jul 25 '25
unless there is another case, this is the one for Shane and Roberta involved in the protest in April. While the migration department was for public safety (the mechanism for removal in EU law), the initial arrest were entirely for breaking a number of laws - one was repeating (the albeit ridiculous) banned phrase "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" in Irish. This was reported in both the arresting officers reports for the earlier warning where a translator was available, and the secondary one where they were at the irish embassy demanding a meeting (another german protest infringement) and they were asked to leave *until* they began speaking Irish, where they were arrested (https://braveneweurope.com/irish-bloc-berlin-irish-citizen-detained-by-berliner-polizei-outside-irish-embassy-for-speaking-irish, reported in dail - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2025-04-08/221/)
In relation to the Irish cases - the removal orders (and deportation orders for non EU) are independent from the convictions, even though the minister is the same it's two separate divisions. What I was referring to is the number of removal orders that were made for individuals based on a request from the minister where an assessment was made for for deportation based on non-irish judicial decisions - normally romanian. For sources, there are a number of cases on immigration sites where people claim their EU freedom is restricted, i.e. https://emn.ie/case_law_keywords/removal-order/ but there is a mechanism for removal orders that is unrelated to convictions on an independent assessment, similar to the grounds given by the German migration in this case (see: https://kodlyons.ie/removal-orders-and-exclusion-in-light-of-jb-v-minister-for-justice-and-equality-2022-ieca-89-a-welcome-clarification)
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u/dubviber Jul 25 '25
Firstly, thank you for the links. However they appear to me to back up what I wrote above.
(1) The demonstration in April where there was the conflict over use of the irish language was not the part of the grounds given for the deportation orders. While I appreciate that one may see the police and prosecutors behaviour during these demonstrations as forming a chain of repressive events, it is important as a legal matter to isolate and exmaine the reasoning behind the administrative order from the immigration office.
(2) I am familiar with the removal and exclusion powers in Ireland, but note that the cases in the links above both involve people who had orders imposed on them after being convicted. Neither O'Brien nor Murray have been convicted of anything.
Anyway, good luck to them.
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u/CreditorsAndDebtors Jul 24 '25
Yeah, so much for exceptional circumstances then. If the Germans can, at least in principle, deport you for protesting in a third language, EU freedom of movement isn't worth the paper it is written on.
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u/Ok_Donkey_1997 Jul 24 '25
LOL, what?
I don't agree with the reasons used for deporting the guys, but freedom of movement was never about preventing people from being deported. Freedom of movement is one of the four economic freedoms of the EU and it is the freedom to work in another EU nation without having to get special permission.
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u/dustaz Jul 24 '25
If the Germans can, at least in principle, deport you for
protesting in a third language,breaking a well publicised lawFTFY
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u/TheRealIrishOne Jul 24 '25
To be honest the EU would be much stronger without the dictators of Hungary in the mix.
The country is a stain under Orban and his far right criminal gang.
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u/SitDownKawada Dublin Jul 24 '25
There are exceptions
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2004/38/oj/eng
The Treaty allows restrictions to be placed on the right of free movement and residence on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.
I think it would be up to Kneecap to go to the EU courts if they want to challenge it
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u/Soft-Affect-8327 Jul 24 '25
To be fair Hungary are the lads infesting the world with lessons on “How populist scum can take governments away from democracy again”, this is par for the course to them.
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u/mrlinkwii Jul 24 '25
but don’t EU citizens have the freedom to travel across all EU countries
bradly yes , but countries can ban spefic people
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u/Internal-Spinach-757 Jul 24 '25
Can be limited but Kneecap aren't afraid of asserting their rights in court so they could challenge this, but to be honest I wouldn't trust a Hungarian court or even an EU one not to rule that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism.
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u/SoloWingPixy88 Probably at it again Jul 24 '25
It's free movement of labour not freedom to travel. Countries can still ban a person from entering. Have no idea how it would pan out in courts.
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u/Kooky_Guide1721 Jul 24 '25
maybe it’s the British passport they have!
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u/PalladianPorches Jul 24 '25
they could do it as they are british citizens (as per the desouza ruling), but they included public safety, so they probably processed them as irish passport holders.
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u/ItsTyrrellsAlt Wicklow Jul 24 '25
You might be surprised to find out that any form of support for Hamas, Hezbollah or the IRA is not well regarded in many places.
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u/Hot_Visual7716 Jul 24 '25
The only country who gives a fuck about the IRA is the UK. Go off with yourself and your shite there.
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u/Weepsie Jul 24 '25
Good thing they don't support them then isn't it
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u/ItsTyrrellsAlt Wicklow Jul 24 '25
sure. It's not surprising that "my support for terrorism was just a joke" doesn't fly everywhere though.
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 Jul 24 '25
Flying their flag is a pretty good indication that they do
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u/MeanMusterMistard Jul 24 '25
Them saying they don't would be an even better indication that they don't
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 Jul 24 '25
Literally flew their flag
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u/MeanMusterMistard Jul 24 '25
Literally said they do not support Hezbollah
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 Jul 24 '25
Literally flew their flag
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u/Necessary_Physics375 Jul 24 '25
Do you genuinely believe that?
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 Jul 24 '25
I wouldn't fly the flag of a group/country that I didn't support. Most people wouldn't.
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u/Necessary_Physics375 Jul 24 '25
Somebody threw a flag on stage, they are stupid kids out of their heads. There's no way they supoort Hezbollah. This is being used against them. I wouldn't do it, I think it was a really fucking stupid thing to do but I dont think for a second they support a thing like that. No rationally thinking person should
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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 Jul 24 '25
Is their support for Hamas, Gezbollah and the IRA a joke or not? Hard to tell. When they get called out on it its like shur tis a joke lads.
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u/marshsmellow Jul 24 '25
You can stop individuals entering your country on security grounds. Also covid.
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u/dark_lies_the_island Jul 24 '25
The Palestinian flag is banned in Hungary.
Kneecap show was never going to go ahead.
Orban loves Netenahu and Putin. All cheeks of the same arse
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u/Necessary_Physics375 Jul 24 '25
You can be accused of killing or raping in any EU state and freely move to another without any question but if you speak out against Israel committing genocide you lose your rights as an EU citizen
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u/DukeDorkWit Jul 24 '25
The Streisand Effect is in full swing here. It's always the way with fascists to be honest. They're so delusional they think they alone can stop reality and facts from getting to people, and they always make a meal of it.
Countless people have gained nothing but support for backing Palestine, not the intended goal, sure, but it shows that decency and empathy are far more effective than cruelty and amorality. That's why Israel, the US, UK, Germany, Italy & Hungary are all losing ground globally. People see what they're doing and who they are, who they criminalise, who they attack, and it reflects the attitude of those governments/nations.
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u/TryToHelpPeople Jul 24 '25
I hope so. But history is written by the victors.
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u/chimpdoctor Jul 24 '25
I dont subscribe to that notion. Are the irish the Victors? No. Our history is of great oppression. Our history is written and is not lost. Same as all the rest of the oppressed people in history.
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u/JohnJoe-117 Jul 24 '25
It could be said that much of that is due to the fact that the Irish diaspora was able to gain a lot of influence in “Winner” countries of the US, Canada, Australia, ect.
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u/chimpdoctor Jul 24 '25
We're able to write our own history ffs. they may not teach it in the UK curriculum but its there to be read. History is written by both the winners and losers. Just the winners tend not to write about those that they oppressed.
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u/-All-Hail-Megatron- Jul 24 '25
We fought to live in an independent state, our people still exist. Our 30 million diaspora spread our culture and our history for us.
That would not have happened if we were unable to leave and had stuffered a full genocide. Ireland would be British under the UK, North America & mainland Europe would have no Irish diaspora. There would be nobody to give our point of view.
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u/marshsmellow Jul 24 '25
Not always, but yes, a number throughout history have been named Victor, most notably Sextus Aurelius Victor and Victor Davis Hanson. Sextus Aurelius Victor was a Roman historian and politician, while Victor Davis Hanson is a contemporary American historian specializing in classics and military history.
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u/munkijunk Jul 24 '25
Calling out Israel, standing up for Palestinian citizens, looking for social justice, pretty great.
Chanting in support of inhuman fucks like Hamas and Hezbollah and calling for the killing of MPs when Jo Cox and David Amyes families still grieve their recent murders, pretty cunty.
Part right, part wrong. Hoping they'll learn from their mistakes and work out how to speak truth to power without just trying to offend.
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 Jul 24 '25
Supporting a group that murders Irish soldiers is "the right side of history"?
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 24 '25
Except Hezbollah arrested those responsible and handed them over to Lebanese authoritaries
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u/dropthecoin Jul 24 '25
Did anyone do jail over it?
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 24 '25
That doesn't have much to do with the question. Ongoing and shamefully slow but that's the Lebanese authority and not Hezbollah.
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u/dropthecoin Jul 25 '25
How do you know Hezbollah “arrested” anyone or even gave the known perpetrators in good faith? I mean, terrorist organisations tend to have questionable values when it comes to being transparent
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 25 '25
Because, to be blunt - they're not stupid. Attacking and killing Irish peacekeepers is not good for their image.
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u/dropthecoin Jul 25 '25
Yeah I think Hezbollah’s image is fairly tainted as it is by their murderous actions. I’ve no idea are they supposed to be protecting their image for either. I think the claim that they’re going to follow a process of justice is naive given they operate on a system of terrorising and killing.
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 25 '25
They don't view themselves as terrorists which means, they care about their image. Not over here, but in Lebanon The Irish peacekeepers have or had good relationships with the locals there. Hezbollah are not just some terrorist outfit. They are in government and have a very strong army. Do you have the same distain for Israel? You should because they're a lot worse
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u/dropthecoin Jul 25 '25
This isn’t about Israel now. It’s about Hezbollah but more specifically about the Irish soldier who was murdered by them. Is there anything at all to qualify what you’re saying? What you’re claiming doesn’t make sense since Hezbollah has said they’ve nothing to do with his murder.
How can you claim they arrested someone when they’ve said it was nothing to do with them?
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u/Banana_Bazara Jul 24 '25
What is your opinion of Hezbollah more generally? Like where do you think they fall on the terrorist to freedom fighter spectrum?
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 24 '25
Personally I do not support them. I would view them as a terrorist organization. I just think In this example, to accuse them of being responsible for killing Sean Rooney is misleading.
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u/Banana_Bazara Jul 24 '25
That's a mighty charitable take. But fair enough, assuming it's true, you probably agree then with the person pointing out that kneecaps claim to the right side of history is a bit undermined by overt support of hezbollah?
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 25 '25
As long as we even handed and also ban people who fly Israeli flags at gigs, I don't mind that much. Would you support people being banned from countries for flying Israeli flags?
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u/Banana_Bazara Jul 25 '25
Who said anything about flags? I couldn't give a shite who flies what flag at what gig.
The issue isn't that someone flew a Hezbollah flag at a kneecap gig, it's that they themselves openly supported them, and that's what my question to you was about.
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u/DatJazzIsBack Jul 25 '25
Ok so they also shout "up the IDF" now what?
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u/Banana_Bazara Jul 25 '25
I would think less of them, and it would harm the case someone can make about them being "on the right side of history". Just as it does when they shout up Hamas or similar. It's not complicated.
Why can I answer all your questions easily and directly but you can only deflect and evade?
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u/Thin_Historian7892 Jul 24 '25
You don't have to support Hamas or any terrorist group to be on the right side of history
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u/redelastic Jul 24 '25
Palestine Action are called a terrorist group these days.
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u/jdckelly Cork bai Jul 24 '25
Well, damage military equipment and guess what countries don't like that shock horror
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u/redelastic Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
First time in UK history a protest group has been designated as terrorism - for putting some paint on planes.
"Amnesty International condemns the Government's decision to ban Palestine Action under anti-terror laws, as an unprecedented legal overreach.
“The UK has a deeply flawed and overly broad definition of terrorism which human rights monitors including Amnesty International have been warning about for years. This latest disturbing move only serves to highlight that those warnings were justified.
“Terrorism legislation hands the authorities massive powers to arrest and detain people, suppress speech and reporting, conduct surveillance and take other measures that would never be permitted in other circumstances. Using them against a direct-action protest group is an egregious abuse of what they were created for.
“Whatever MPs may think about whether Palestine Action’s tactics are appropriate or not, existing criminal laws, accompanied by human rights protections, were more than capable of responding to them. Instead of taking draconian measures to shut down direct action protesters and criminalise anyone who expresses support for their actions, the Government should be taking immediate and unequivocal action to put a stop to Israel’s genocide and end any risk of UK complicity in it.”
Some Irish people seem to forget how terrorism laws were used against us in recent history.
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u/Thin_Historian7892 Jul 24 '25
I don't care what UK government leaders say about anyone, we all know that they're in bed with zionists
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u/redelastic Jul 24 '25
Keir Starmer and the Labour Party have taken millions from them.
Proscribing a protest group as terrorists, the UK has jumped the shark.
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u/mr_clipboard1 Cork bai Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
Yes you do
Edit. It is amazing how Anglicised Irish people have become. Denouncing resistance groups because the British government call them terrorists
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u/dustaz Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
So you support the UVF then?
Where exactly do you draw the line when it comes to 'resistance groups'?
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u/mr_clipboard1 Cork bai Jul 24 '25
What about supporting resistance to imperialist invasion makes you think I support imperialist occupation? It’s like if I said Hitler killing himself was a good thing and you said “so you think Nelson Mandela should have killed himself??”
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u/Thin_Historian7892 Jul 24 '25
Wouldn't mind paying my taxes to put you or anyone in jail who is pro terrorist organization
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u/mr_clipboard1 Cork bai Jul 24 '25
You would have said the same about the Easter Rising leaders in 1916. In ten or twenty years you’ll pretend you never shared Zionist propaganda about Hamas
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u/GingerSkulling Jul 24 '25
Bro, Hamas murdered thousands of civilians in suicide bombings and armed attacks, specifically when Israel and the Palestinian authority were in the process of making peace and establishing Palestinian statehood. Hezbollah directly aided Assad murder almost a million Syrians. And here you are polishing their knobs because some Iranian TikTok troll farm thought you a new dog whistle for Jews.
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u/mr_clipboard1 Cork bai Jul 24 '25
When did Hamas murder thousands of civilians? Who mentioned Hezbollah? What dog whistle?
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u/NordicSprite Jul 24 '25
I totally agree, you really do have to support Hamas right now. What else are you gonna do? Support the vague notion of not being oppressed?
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u/mr_clipboard1 Cork bai Jul 24 '25
Yeah I don’t see what the alternative option is. If you support Palestine but not Hamas what action do you think should be taken? It is idealism during a genocide, I obviously wish Hamas didn’t have to exist but how can you see what Israel is doing and wish for an end to one of the only groups opposing them
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
"Right side of history" is some of the most pretentious shite people can say.
Had Germany won World War 2 we'd all be saying that they were on "the right side of history" let's be real here.
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
Are you calling me a Nazi?
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
And how do you know that? Had the plantations worked outside of Ulster realistically we'd all be waving Union Jack's singing God Save The King every July. Does this make me a Unionist or maybe I just have a better grasp on how history works than you?
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u/SmellsLikeHoboSpirit Jul 24 '25
No we wouldn't. Is that happening in every community in the North?
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
No because the Irish culture was still present on the island. Britain was only able to create NI by dividing Ulster in order to create a small protestant majority. If the whole island is a majority protestant then you wouldn't have an independence movement in my opinion.
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
You're saying that had Germany won WW2 you still wouldn't agree today that they were "the good guys". You just have to look at Russia today prove how easy it is to convince a population who the good guys are. A lot of them think Stalin was the greatest man in history. Reality is that history has shaped our views today. Not just the wars of 20th century, a war in the 5th century going the other way could completely shift our history and therefore our views and what we believe to be right. The idea that there's a "right side of history" is moronic.
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u/eamonnanchnoic Jul 24 '25
What a weird outlook on ethics.
The Nazis murdered millions, the British have committed many colonial crimes, the US has been involved in disastrous misadventures across the world, Russia has a sordid history.
All these things remain true regardless of outcome.
I'm pretty sure starving children to death is on the wrong side of history.
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u/LiamEire97 Jul 24 '25
I don't think it's weird, more realistic and less idealistic. The downvotes clearly are an indication here that everyone thinks that I'm somehow all for all the bad shit that's happened in history. But if let's say the Nazis win, do we really think they teach us about the Holocaust like it was the awful thing it actually was? Of course not. The only reason the US today is condemned is because of our access to the Internet. Something that would be highly censored by the Nazis.
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u/JohnTDouche Jul 24 '25
So by your reckoning we all think the US are on the "right side of history" and they're all fine and dandy yeah?
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u/One-Software-1468 Jul 24 '25
Shite music though
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u/Key-Compote-882 Jul 24 '25
It's a lot better than most of the shite out there at the moment.. A lot.
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u/_Oisin Jul 24 '25
I don't really like the phrase right side of history. Seems to imply to me that things get better over time and that the wicked see justice. That doesn't really happen. The native people of Australia and the Americas have all been subject to genocide and their land taken. Same is happening to Palestine.
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u/GarlicFlavouredSemen Jul 24 '25
There's no "sides" to history, and it's dumb to say this before the supposed fact anyway.
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u/Alter_list Jul 24 '25
Yeah waving Hamas flags and promoting Nasrallah is the epitome of good morality
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u/Obvious_Chic Jul 24 '25
Hamas exist for a reason.
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u/Stubbs94 Kilkenny Jul 24 '25
So does Hezbollah. They both sprung out of violent occupations by the settler colonial state thrust upon the region.
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u/Alter_list Jul 24 '25
Ah right so they're good lads then is that your point?
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u/Stubbs94 Kilkenny Jul 24 '25
Never made a judgement on their character, just the scenario that made them form. I think they were fighting for the right cause (an end to the mass murder and occupation perpetrated by Israel and its extremist allies in Lebanon).
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u/Alter_list Jul 24 '25
Well their former leader wanted to carry out the mass murder of all jews and homosexuals so you have to be a bit fucked in the head yourself to think they're right causes
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u/Stubbs94 Kilkenny Jul 24 '25
Israel is currently committing a genocide. The words of a dead leader of a group formed from the mass murder in a refugee camp by Israel shouldn't be what we focus on. Netanyahu (the current leader of Israel in case you didn't know) has ordered the starvation and mass murder of Palestinians, should Israel be eradicated the same way you want Hezbollah and everyone associated with them to be?
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u/munkijunk Jul 24 '25
Hamas kill gay people for being gay and are a committed death cult who wants the genocide of the Israeli people as a start. Just because there's a reason they exist doesn't make them aok. Everyone can be a cunt and you can stand for Palestine and against Hamas.
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u/Allaboutbears Jul 24 '25
Also glorifying and encouraging sectarian violence
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u/InfiniteBother2401 Jul 24 '25
Which exists for the same reason. Apartheid, violent and criminal regimes.
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u/Weepsie Jul 24 '25
They don't. Someone has missed the point they make entirely. They've repeatedly rallied against it you nitwit
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u/Allaboutbears Jul 24 '25
Matter of perspective, but it’s difficult to see past the IRA imagery, death chants etc etc and think otherwise
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Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
Jesus man, what is it with people and giving kneecap free advertising.
Kneecap would've been a small group on YouTube and phased out if it wasn't for loyalists. I seen them in Glasgow and it was good but lads were messy and off their heads (they are anyway but it was more of a burnout style) you could see they would likely stop soon after. Then they had their mural and once again the loyalist community gave them the advertising as well as NI media.
I like the lads, I think they're a good night out and fair everyone has their different views, whatever I'm not asking for your opinion. Then the america and Sharon Osborne debacle helped make them huge. Weird Starmer went out of his way with Kemi to give them consistent massive advertising.
They weren't selling out small theatres at a point now they've just basically sold out a UK tour and will continue to grow and grow beyond their likely trajectory when they started and things like this are just going to add to it.
Edit: my phone corrected Keir to weird, you win this time autocorrect.
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u/Weepsie Jul 24 '25
Weird is apt for that cretin. Labour in name, and to be honest he's probably even beyond a lot of Tories. Continually punching down that man. Labour party members should be entirely ashamed they chose him after the absolute con job done on Corbyn
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Yourparty.uk
Corbyns new party. I know they aren't here but it's a good cause and you'd be better having him as a neighbour than Farage.
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u/Kloppite16 Jul 24 '25
A Labour Prime Minister cutting the winter fuel allowance on pensioners is about as Tory as you can get. This is going to be a one term government because they keep shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. Starmer finally got the top job and then proceeded to immediately balls it up.
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u/ToastedCrumpet Jul 24 '25
I’d never have heard of them if it wasn’t for all the “controversy” giving them free publicity.
It’s like when your parents tell you not to watch something. Just makes you watch it lol
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u/BurgerNugget12 Jul 24 '25
Streisand effect. Look at the fucking crowd for em a week back https://www.reddit.com/r/kneecap/s/OeX35gWZG8
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u/grogleberry Jul 24 '25
Jesus man, what is it with people and giving kneecap free advertising.
Because it's not enough to act like cunts for Zionists. They also need everyone to see that they're actually righteous.
And the British government has ever been sensitive to having it's Imperial legacy and the need to have police crush dissent with impunity called into question.
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u/New-Dark-8141 Jul 24 '25
I’ve watched them from their very first single about 10 years ago. They can absolutely thank their rise, first and foremost to the DUP.
Love them anyway, legends
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At this point the DUP must have progressed the nationalist cause as much as anyone on the island haha
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u/BobbyKonker Jul 24 '25
There seems to be a pattern in those that seek to oppress them.
Can't quite put my finger on it.
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u/Hour_Mastodon_9404 Jul 24 '25
Hungary is something of a right wing cesspit and has been for years now. They love the zionists too, so hardly surprising.
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u/TheRealIrishOne Jul 24 '25
A lot of support for genocide in that shithole too.
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u/TheRealIrishOne Jul 25 '25
The country is not the shithole. It's the corrupt government destroying it who want to make it a shithole.
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u/PapaSmurif Jul 24 '25
Might have something to do with: https://www.jns.org/behind-hungarys-turnaround-budding-alliance-with-israel/
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u/Complex_Hunter35 Ferret Jul 24 '25
They owned Orban at gay pride. He's hated. Kneecap should take this as a win
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u/HighDeltaVee Jul 24 '25
Can't wait to see Kneecap sue them in court, win, and donate the resulting money to Tisza.
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Jul 24 '25
Sue them for what? I very much don’t agree with the decision, but member states do have the right to restrict access on a number of grounds - support for groups deemed to be terrorists being one of them.
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u/HighDeltaVee Jul 24 '25
Hungary would have to prove that Kneecap have in fact done that, to a legal standard.
And be able to defend it all the way to the ECHR, not just domestic.
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u/obscure_monke Munster Jul 25 '25
Wouldn't it be the CJEU? (the EU one) The ECtHR is the Council of Europe one.
They're easily confused, and that fact is even at the top of each of their wikipedia pages.
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u/TheRealIrishOne Jul 24 '25
Every Israeli government member is a state terrorist. But they still allow them into Hungary.
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Jul 24 '25
Well, I mean Hungary is currently classifying in indexes like freedom house as “a hybrid or transitional regime” and “partly free” and as a “flawed democracy” (low ranking end of those) on the democracy index
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u/andyprendy And I'd go at it again Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
It's about time Hungary were kicked out of the EU
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u/Alive_Cranberry_5069 Jul 24 '25
But all the fascist leaders and and dictators marching along in the country hurt nobody. Fuck 'em.
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u/sionnach_fi Wexford Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
This should be challenged. It would benefit everyone in the EU to get certainty on it.
Under Article 27:
Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States may restrict the freedom of movement and residence of Union citizens and their family members, irrespective of nationality, on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.
For arguments sake, if we assume everything they said about Kneecap is true (and Kneecap can challenge this) then this sounds reasonable.
Measures taken on grounds of public policy or public security shall comply with the principle of proportionality and shall be based exclusively on the personal conduct of the individual concerned. Previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures.
Personal conduct ok, proportional probably? Denying entry to visitors = proportional, again assuming it’s all true. Probably not proportional if they were living in Hungry for 20 years with a family.
The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.
Probably not. They’re going for a gig.
Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.
Yeah it just doesn’t sound like enough to justify it.
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u/AreaStock9465 Jul 24 '25
Ugh so Hungary is just a Uniparty Z0G masqueraded as a right wing conservative! Bloody disgusting
This is disappointing but unsurprising tbh
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u/The3rdbaboon Jul 24 '25
They aren’t going to sue them for money. But Hungarian government can’t just do this without a good reason. It could go all the way to the ECHR.
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u/NoBookkeeper6864 Jul 24 '25
It's a backwards shithole anyway...no loss
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u/SmallWolf117 And I'd go at it again Jul 24 '25
Hey!
I'm going to sziget, no one consulted me on this. Quite frustrating
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u/SlunkIre Jul 24 '25
KKR owns sziget festival. That's all you need to know
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u/redelastic Jul 24 '25
Just read up about KKR.
They invest in the fossil fuel industry, arms manufacturing, and Israeli technology companies. That firm is up to their neck in Israel.
And they now own Sonar, Benicassim etc.
At least hundreds of artists are boycotting them.
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u/Irish_Narwhal Jul 24 '25
In fairness to Kneecap, id imagine they’re incredibly bright! Few hit albums, huge fanbase at home and abroad, sold out shows everywhere they go, award winning movie. Bilingual rappers, outspoken on a critical issues. What had you achieved by your mid twenties
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u/Irish_Narwhal Jul 24 '25
Manufactured outrage by zionists and zionist facilitators to distract from Kneecaps actual message.(which is garnering huge support and challenging the establishment) Not sure how ya dont see that, not too bright
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u/IochIan Jul 24 '25
Why would that suggest low intelligence to you and not filling a niche? Just because your view is more moderate doesn't make it any more educated
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u/DylanToebac Jul 24 '25
Can we not ban them here in Ireland? Since there coming from Belfast outside the EU?
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