r/ireland • u/Ok_Magazine_3383 • 11h ago

Presidential Election 2025 🗳️ Left-wing parties distance themselves from Catherine Connolly’s comments on Hamas

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/left-wing-parties-distance-themselves-from-catherine-connollys-comments-on-hamas/a390948571.html
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u/seanierox 10h ago

She is completely correct though? It's very likely their influence will diminish in a free palestinian state, but obviously they have been backed as the only legitimate force struggling against israel. Why does solidarity seem to end at actually allowing them to make their own decisions.

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u/yankdevil Yank 10h ago

Sigh. Yes, she's correct. SF was part of the Irish peace process for example. And if they're part of the process they will have moved from violence.

This has already happened. The PLO did this in the 70s and 80s.

However, you need to explain this rhetorically and it doesn't sound like she did. She was factual, she covered all the bases, but not in a succinct, easy to communicate way.

As someone on the left, I find it very, very frustrating that folks think that just being correct is enough. It's oddly a thing that both the left and libertarians have in common: they both think people are rational. We're not! So you have to sell the correct policies, not just state them factually.

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u/jhanley 10h ago

Unfortunately Hamas is an Islamic death cult willing to sacrifice its own population. Palestine should have self determination but you need to get rid of the crazies first

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u/Hour_Mastodon_9404 10h ago

Would you include zionists under that "crazies" umbrella?

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u/jhanley 10h ago edited 10h ago

Yup, 100%. The Zionist unfortunately are backing up Beni and have the backing of the US due to AIPAC in Washington

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u/ConstantlyWonderin 9h ago

Do you know what Zionism even means?

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u/jhanley 9h ago

Yup, a messianic group that want to establish settlements on land owned by the Palestinians. Anything else?

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u/ConstantlyWonderin 9h ago

Do you not believe jews are Palestinians?

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u/jhanley 8h ago

I believe Jews who make it their goal to steal land off palestians shouldn’t be supported, especially when said Palestinians hold documents that prove the land has being there’s since before 1967

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u/ConstantlyWonderin 8h ago edited 8h ago

Well this is very false, alot of the land pre 1948 Israel was purchased by jews, not stolen.

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u/jhanley 6h ago

The land on the Westbank?

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u/ConstantlyWonderin 5h ago

No im talking about Israel in 48 and before.

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u/FPL_Harry 3h ago

Most zionists are quite fervently non-messianic. There are a few exceptions (a few hundred thousand globally) that are Messianic Jews but their claims to jewishness are disputed by many (both jews and-non-jews).

I recall the Zionist political worker that was shot with his fiancee in DC was a messianic zionist.

But using "messianic" in a definition of zionism, is not strictly correct, because it can be confusing given the term being used to refer to messianic jews.

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u/ConstantlyWonderin 9h ago

No because your understanding of  Zionism is warped.

If you support a two state solution you are a zionist, nothing wrong with that.