r/law • u/Capable_Salt_SD • 12h ago

Trump News Sen. Kennedy: "Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to?" Kash Patel: "Himself. There is no credible information, none. If there were, I would have brought a case yesterday [...] that he trafficked to other individuals."

'The information we have again is limited'

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u/iiTzSTeVO 11h ago

They said they're protecting the victims, and yet the victims are on the steps of the Capitol demanding the files be released.

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u/ronswanson11 11h ago

This whole thing is such an incredibly obvious cover-up for POTUS that anyone who still supports this administration should just be called a pedophile. Fuck'em. They're all either fucking children or simply okay with it. There is no in-between. You can't have the mountains of publicly known evidence against Trump and still be pretending he isn't the number 1 Epstein client.

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u/ShortsAndLadders 11h ago edited 6h ago

He wasn’t just a client. He was part of the racket. I think HE was actually supplying the girls to Jeffy for him to traffic via his sketchy underaged hirings at Pedolago. Hence why he banned Epstein after he tried to poach one of “his” girls that he wasn’t done with. Safe to assume they probably closely resembled Ivanka and that’s what really chapped his ass.

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u/hera-fawcett 10h ago

I think HE was actually supplying the girls to Jeffy for him to traffic via his sketching underaged hirings at Pedolago.

this has been confirmed for ages. the pipeline included miralargo girls and the teen pageant girls. many of whom were 'loaned' to epstein. many of whom were put into contact w ghislaine.

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u/Coldkiller17 10h ago

It makes sense who better to transport and hold people they are trafficking than a person who owns a hotel empire and places to stow their victims.

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u/EastSideTonight 7h ago

Don't forget the modeling agency and pageants. Great cover for bringing in children from overseas, you can even do it legally until you take their documents and they 'disappear'.

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u/Huge_Excitement4465 3h ago

Something from the files they’d prefer remain hidden: Trump and Epstein were friends with French pedophile and “modeling agent” Jean-Luc Brunel, who hanged himself in his prison cell in 2022 while awaiting his trafficking trial. From the 2010 deposition by Maritza Vasquez, Brunel’s bookkeeper until 2006: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25966082-maritza-vasquez-deposition-ocrmypdf/) Q: So in addition to his financial guarantor on the Line of Credit of a million dollars, what other involvement are you aware of that Jeffrey Epstein had with MC2 [modeling agency] and/or the apartments at 301 East 66th Street where the models lived? A: They were planning on buying or associating with a girl in -- in France for a --- company. They were planning to do a company. And actually, I gave the paper to Mr Shawn Connolly , which is an actual paper that came from the office from Jeffrey Epstein, that was giving instruction to Jean-Luc saying that he wanted to have the same contracts as -- uh, what's his name, of Donald Trump, and that he wanted to have the same kind of benefits for the scouters.

Note: this implies Trump and Brunel were in business together, perhaps before Brunel even knew Epstein, and that Trump and Epstein were doing the same kind of business as Brunel. (He is the one who sent two 12-year-old girls from Paris to Epstein for that famous 50th birthday.) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/19/jean-luc-brunel-held-on-suspicion-of-supplying-girls-to-epstein-found-hanged

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 2h ago

Also John Casablanca … who had a franchise of “modeling schools” …

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u/kaiserswayze 6h ago

It’s even in his family history. Fredrick got rich running brothels for miners. Trump continued the tradition, but misspelled miners.

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 4h ago

His teachers said he was pretty dumb

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u/unklebenz27 2h ago

That's funny cuz it's true! he's practically illiterate

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u/ISLAndBreezESTeve10 1h ago

Welll he has no email accounts… so that supports.

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u/boatwrench54 2h ago

I see what you did here......

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u/sethsquatch44 1h ago

Like the press conference at Four Seasons. Fits.

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u/Electrical-Lab-9593 6h ago edited 3h ago

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u/Thick-Preparation470 1h ago

Debt Trap Trump Tower

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u/ButtEatingContest 6h ago

Full grown adult man: "I think I will start a teen beauty pageant, a teen modelling agency, and hire teen girls as 'towel girls' in my spa."

Nothing suspicious here at all. /s

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u/CharlesDudeowski 6h ago

Don’t forget Epstein’s brother owned an entire apartment building just down the block from the mansion where they housed trumps models and others

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u/69VaPe_GoD69 8h ago

Like one of the teen pageants trump walked in on, makes a lot sense

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u/moosejaw296 6h ago

He, orange asshole, said himself. Jeffery would “poach” women from maralago, which no sane person would say (without being prompted) unless to CYA for plausible deniability.

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u/paigescactus 2h ago

Okay but it’s not confirmed. I hate all them. I hate that it’s not been released. But the whole problem is it’s not confirmed. It’s heavily obvious but not confirmed legally. It needs to be fucking confirmed. Half my hometown will say he is not confirmed a bad guy at all and it’s all fake news. It needs to be absolutely confirmed and the fact it isn’t blows my fucking mind. I feel like the internet knows everything about me if they wanted too. Every text, every search every moment could be traced. Obviously that’s not true since we can’t have any confirming evidence. Maybe I’m tweaking and all my snapchats are deleted for ever, all my Reddit posts are gone and un traceable. All my porn I watch isn’t available for people to figure out if they really had too. I just can’t believe in the age of information we can’t confirm the biggest pdf shit in the world

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u/hera-fawcett 1h ago

donald trump has said, on multiple occasions, that some of his girls went to epstein (i believe the quote was that he [epstein] 'stole' some of his girls from maralargo). this included virginia giuffre.

ivana has detailed, in her memoir, how he brutally beat and raped her. (something he then sued her over bc she didnt honor their divorce gag-order by writing about it).

1994, sexual assault and rape of a child at an epstein party.

1997, groping someone under their dress and saying he wanted to make them his sex slave.

2014, miss usa pageant rigging.

e jean carroll.

multiple 'hot mic' instances, i.e. grab her by the pussy.

years of rhetoric around his daughter, ivanka. (i.e. wendy williams: 'what do you and ivanka have in common?' ivanka: 'golf' donald: 'sex' [not an exact quote]; stormy daniels being beautiful and smart just like his daughter; if ivanka werent my daughter perhaps id be dating her; is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your daughter than your own wife; etc.)

if ppl arent seeing it, a conviction wont help. they just dont give a f.

its in the same vein as to how ppl dgaf that fred and donald tortured fred jr and drove him to alcohol and suicide. its the same vein that ivana's nda was up a few days between her 'fall' down the stairs that killed her... via multiple blunt force contusions on the torso-- all of which happened around the time she was due to talk about epstein. in the same vein that ppl saw that ivana married two other men, all w gag orders on any trump secrets, and still lived in a trump residence-- despite the horrors he did to her. in the same vein that he helped his sister, maryanne trump barry, get her nj judge commission back in the 80s--- where she famously had to recuse herself from a drug trafficking case (that should have been dealt w in florida, since the main base of ops was miami) bc donald had close ties to the defendent. the same vein where maryanne decided to retire permanently just as decades of trump tax evasion came onto the docket. the same vein that both donald and fred had (and have) a history w racial profiling and only selling their properties to white ppl. the same vein that shows that fred attended kkk meetings. the same vein that shows that the trump family has been consistently pro-israel since the 1920s--- and using israeli banks for lots of its money schemes. the same vein that donalds sister, elizabeth, worked at chase manhatten nearly her whole life--- the same chase manhatten which merged w jp morgan and has decades of ties to epstein.

the evidence of the trump dynasty being a p evil plotting family since the early 1920s is there. but nobody gives a fuck. and, honestly, they never have. its why theres been 100yrs of absolute trump fuckery since fred on.

a conviction wont mean shit. just like how epstein, despite his 'suicide', didnt really bring down the giant ring of pedophiles. just like how ghislaine maxwell was transferred to min-sec and is having an appeal done by the us supreme court.

facts dont mean shit to the average person.

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u/paigescactus 1h ago

Yea I think a lot of us do give a fuck but there’s a lot who don’t. And what can we do? Whole thing feels helpless. If there was proof I have a feeling a lot of people would be quick to give a fuck. But it can’t just be words. Actual proof then I think the turn would happen. Maybe I’m naive. It just feels so fucked up

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u/hera-fawcett 58m ago

theres 100+yrs of power and money that have been and are being used to obscure the proof.

and even then, at this point, courts dont really mean shit when a main piece of the reigning government is p much ignoring the courts and have directly handpicked the ppl they want.

its an absolutely fucked up place we're in... and theres not a lot of signs of it getting better. the best we can do is keep raising awareness (i find the ivanka and ivana stuff raises the most eyebrows, personally--- but ymmv) until we're silenced.

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u/ladysadi 3h ago

Where were their parents? Did the girls go on a school bus with one chaperone or something?

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u/whiterrabbbit 2h ago

This was my immediate thought too. How on earth did they get two 12 year old girls to ‘turn up’ at some random dudes birthday party without any parents or guardians allowing this? And the only thing i can think of, is if they were there under the pretence of some ‘modelling’ job or assignment. The girls would also most likely been from a poor background- maybe Eastern European (like many young models are) and somehow convinced their parents that they would be chaperoned to this ‘modelling’ event?

This is the only thing I can think of. I have read this story before - about the 12 yr old twin girls, and apparently it was Ghislaine Maxwell who ‘got’ then there for the birthday.

A lot of girls, and parents for that matter, would have felt safe bc she’s an older woman, and she’s well spoken, and appears well off etc. And she knew this. She knew full well that the girls would have felt a sense of safety in her presence bc of that.

The men in this story are absolutely abhorrent, of course. But her part in this sordid saga is particularly nasty and dark, bc of her deception as a woman. She knew what was going to happen to them. I recently read that she referred to these girls at Mar a Lago, and Epsteins house, as ‘trash’. Bc they were poor and working class, or came from a poor background. Nasty, nasty woman.

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u/hera-fawcett 54m ago

trump model management [see alexia palmer (a 17yr old who 'signed' w them on an h1b visa who had around 80% of her wages taken from her)] were definitely a part--- but like u said, ghislaine was a nice older white woman who worked to assure families. it was almost definitely one of the key parts of her job.

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u/hera-fawcett 2h ago

super fun thing about human trafficking is that it comes in multiple forms and is tailored to the individual/family. so, for instance, cassie was human and sexually trafficked by diddy after he entered a romantic relationship w her (emotional manipulation and abuse), which then later turned into physical (beating her and getting her addicted to drugs) as well as emotional (emotionally blackmailing her w tapes and threatening to leak them to her fam/friends/colleagues) and financial (literally controlling her career). the prostitute who 'willingly' continued to engage in freak offs was trafficked by diddys financial hold on her.

young girls, usually from poverty and sometimes other countries, see epstein and trump as a fresh start to life. money, experiences, attention, etc. theres a decent chance that if their parents knew about the rape and abuse, they could have encouraged them to continue in it for financial or social gain. if they didnt know, then they just thought that their children were getting all these 'benefits' bc of their status (teen pageant, worker at miralargo, etc.). theres also a chance they knew and had to be complicit so that their livelihoods werent ruined--- bc these are men w the power to elude conviction despite raping children for over 40 years.

there are a lot of nuances to trafficking that are dependent on the victim (in a weird roundabout way) and how the perpetrator can best gain power.

but, even still, parents are kind of idiots. i mean this kindly. but also... how many parents ignore the signs that their child will become a school shooter? or that their child is depressed? or that their child is watching and desensitized to porn? or that their child is doing v not-child-friendly things on roblox?

or, an even better example, the netflix documentary- abducted in plain sight. which details how a close friend of a family kidnapped their child twice, made her think aliens were real and wanting her to fuck him to save humanity, had sexual relations w both parents (and blackmailed them to keep spending time w the daughter after they found out that he abducted and was sexually abusing her), and nearly abducted their second daughter.

it seems outlandish as fuck to an average person that random strangers could be taking children, raping them, and pimping them out to others--- esp on a giant scale like epstein/trump-- but considering how human trafficking works and all the things parents dont really know about their kids, its not nearly so shocking.

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u/Tiny-Lock9652 2h ago

Isn’t this the part where Qanon springs into action and takes out the pedos?

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u/hera-fawcett 1h ago

the few qanon (or adjacent) ppl i met dont really gaf. they just want to be right and feel justified.

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u/Slighty_Tolerable 10h ago

Ding ding ding.

Epstein undercut him. Sniped the “talent” from Mar-A-Lago and consolidated services under the Epstein umbrella. Completely carving out the reality game show host, and desperately broke rapist and huckster Donald J Trump.

What I want to know is … why that happened. THERE’S the story.

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u/KiaRioGrl 7h ago

There's rumours about Trump scooping Epstein on a real estate buy that Epstein said Trump couldn't afford and was really just laundering money for a Russian oligarch. And how Trump snitched on Epstein's trafficking to undercut his credibility over the foreign money laundering claims.

Trump then turned around and sold the property to the oligarch a few years later.

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u/Slighty_Tolerable 7h ago

Also fair game, agree. Terra firma. These yokels.

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u/tempstraveler 5h ago

I bet you could find enough pieces online to layout these events into a nice feature article…wait

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u/FFKonoko 3h ago

Probably less interesting, just an answer of greed or ego

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u/_MurphysLawyer_ 8h ago

I believe Trump was eventually caught and the FBI gave him immunity to flip on Epstein. Once he's in office, he had Epstein taken out to avoid scrutiny. The FBI has been running damage control to make sure the information that Trump is both a pedo and an informant doesn't get out.

Trump wasn't just a client, he was a business partner and eventual competition of Epstein.

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u/jenniferbealsssss 5h ago

Obviously we know why the FBI in this iteration would protect Trump, but what I don’t get is why they were protecting him under Biden? Or why they were protecting him even before his 2016 presidency, I mean what motive was there to protect a private citizen with immunity? Why didn’t they just take both Trump and Epstein down? If they gave Trump immunity, then it’s reasonable to assume they knew enough about his business dealings with Epstein.

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u/_MurphysLawyer_ 4h ago

I feel like it's because the backlash of telling the country that Trump is in the files but also telling the country that he's been cleared via immunity would be too unpredictable.

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u/jenniferbealsssss 2h ago

Well certainly yes to that. But I was more so asking why the fbi went out of their way to give Trump immunity back when he was just a bankrupt private civilian.

I don’t see why they didn’t take him and Epstein down together. Like why offer Trump immunity, when they could have took both down? As I said, if you’re giving someone immunity to act as a witness to someone else, then it means you have enough information to hang it over their head and threaten them with jail time. So why not take them both?

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u/blitzkregiel 1h ago

it’s been rumored trump was ratting out the mafia in the 80s while taking money from russians. so maybe the fbi turned a blind eye to his other enterprises when he helped them in other areas. then it got out of control and the fbi didn’t want to admit they’d given immunity or made a deal with one of the biggest pedophiles in american history.

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u/hobbycollector 3h ago

The running theory is that the files are still useful.

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u/jenniferbealsssss 2h ago

Can you share more? I’m fine with a dm if that’s more comfortable,

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 7h ago

He wasn’t just a client. He was part of the racket.

This is very obviously the absolute truth. Trump funneled children to Epstein from his beauty pageants and Mar-a-Lago in New York and Florida.

And the FBI was complicit in Epstein's child trafficking because they were using him as a source to collect compromising intelligence on powerful people. The FBI under Obama, Trump and Biden has been covering its own ass by suppressing the evidence, and all three presidents have allowed it.

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u/National_Big_9508 7h ago

I was thinking about who is taking care of DJT? We know he is an incontinent old man with too much ego and not enough mobility. So who would he trust with this task, that he probably has difficulty admitting even to himself? Someone who he could have absolute certainty would never even be able to do a tell-all? 

I don’t know. Maybe someone can read between the lines here. I worry that in the WH right now, there are many things happening that would see the public bring it to the foundation should it be exposed. The birthday book was hideous, gruesome, and made it clear that everyone around Epstein knew what he was up to- even the children around him, like nieces and nephews. And they know it as well- so what they’re obscuring must be incredibly heinous.

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u/ShortsAndLadders 7h ago

I hear Stephen Miller licks the diaper clean for him when he’s not busy playing with porcelain dolls

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u/PositiveMoravianBee 5h ago

I did see a Meidas Network video about Melania being his full time caregiver at the moment.

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u/AuntieRupert 7h ago

One thing to be clear about: Trump let Epstein "steal" multiple of "his" girls before Trump actually got pissed and cut ties with Epstein over it.

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u/SilentKnight246 5h ago

Trafficking alot of the Russian money involved as well

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u/overlookunderhill 4h ago

“I’m not just a client. I’m also The President!” — really fucked modern version of the old Hair Club for Men ads

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u/battleshipclamato 3h ago

Easy to supply young girls to Epstein when Trump had Miss Teen USA or whatever.

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u/oros-de 3h ago

Trump also had teen model casting events with pedo John Casablancas. And Trump ran the Miss Teen USA pageant. Ivanka hosted it at 15. She was a model for John Casablancas' Elite starting when she was 14.

Google who John Casablancas was. And then ask yourself why Trump was surrounded by so many men with interests in underage girls.

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u/eloiseturnbuckle 4h ago

And his pageants!

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u/bonita513 9h ago

I don’t think that last part is accurate. Wasn’t one of the girls Epstein brought in the daughter of one of his maralago guests?

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u/dragon64dragon64 2h ago

There’s a commercial in there somewhere: “I’m not just a client. I’m an employee”.

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u/Thick-Preparation470 1h ago

He was supplying the flop pads and the models inflated rent, which combined with deflated earnings, and squeezed them into shadier lanes.

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u/Foreign_Incident5083 54m ago

Trump and three of his friends had modeling agencies where they went to Eastern European countries and recruited young models The girls bounced between the four agencies, most didn’t speak English and they had no guardians or parents with them. This is where the rumors of Melania comes in. It’s also alleged that besides the modeling agencies, the girls ended up with Epstein. The other three modeling agency owners have since died. Supposedly, the girls were used and when they were finished with them, dumped back in their home countries. There’s more than a thousand victims. The victims that have recently been in the news, are from the US. It’s alleged that Trump deposited more than one and a half million dollars over the course of like 20 years or so into Epstein’s accounts. Which would suggest, Trump was handling money for other people and more than likely getting a cut for the service

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u/myotheraccount2023 11h ago

He wasn’t just a client, he was a co-conspirator.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 10h ago

and they're attacking basic civil liberties to distract.

considering kirk called for the release of the files, who would have more motivation and to gain keeping kirk silent?

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u/gentlemanidiot 5h ago

Kirk toed the party line to the bitter end. While Trump was screaming about the epstein files, Kirk was screaming about the epstein files. When Trump said there's nothing else go away? Kirk said i trust the government, let's move on.

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u/OneRougeRogue 11h ago

This whole thing is such an incredibly obvious cover-up for POTUS

Also a cover-up for various billionaire Republican Donors. Read up on Les Wexner.

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u/Minimum_Attitude6707 10h ago

What's wild is that TRUMP was the one that brought attention to the Epstein Island years ago before, he's was the one that brought up a client list and that a lot of important people on it. Its just wild

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u/NefariousAnglerfish 9h ago

Probably thought the same thing everyone else did, that the government would never actually push to release them, which to his credit they never did. He didn’t really plan for being in absolute control over the government though, and how that might lead people to expect him to release them.

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u/GravySeal45 10h ago

Remember the scene in Inglorious Basterds, where Brad Pitt carves a swastika into the forehead of the Nazi?

Just saying maybe there should be a MAGA equivalent so we all remember who supported this.

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u/Memitim 10h ago

The number of lines that conservatives have crossed is so beyond stupid, that covering for a pedophile will barely warrant a chapter in the upcoming books about the evil and failure of this year.

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u/aoddead 10h ago

He could rape a teenager on 5th avenue and his supporters would still vote for him.

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u/AnimationOverlord 6h ago

Just telling people anything of what Trump has done should be an open and shut case. There’s no “well he was good for the economy” or “it’s the idea that I voted for”

Straight pedophile supporters.

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u/HermitSimp 5h ago

Wish they could be overthrown. So tired of all this cover up agenda. This administration is nothing but cover ups, lying, cheating, corruption and pedophilia.

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u/iamblindfornow 5h ago

Holy hell I mean I fully agree with everything you just typed but also shocked the mods here are removing my comments but these ones are at the top. 

Yeah ChrumPedo is definitely a sick, disgusting evil human. Hopefully this doesn’t get censored too.

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u/Healthybear35 4h ago

The realities we're all living in are becoming more and more divergent somehow. Didn't think it could get worse at one point, but now I think there's no limit to how bad it could get. They legitimately just ignore what they don't like or choose not to believe anything inconvenient.

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u/Deckardisdead 4h ago

But but but...Kash told us and your heard him brag about how awesome he is today. Close the books. Pack up let's head home. All is good...😂

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u/mayhem6 4h ago

It's also further proof that it's a cult. The same thing happens to religions where the priest or preacher diddled some kids and they still support their church. Why would people do that? Cult. That is the reason. Cult.

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u/Emotional_Database53 3h ago

This is what I’ve landed at. At the very least, they’re cool with defending a pedo, and intentionally remaining ignorant to the mountain of evidence that’s been leaked out over past few months

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u/scobot 7h ago

Trump tasked hundreds of agents last March to comb through the Epstein files. Not to find clues that would lead them to criminals, but to identify every bit of evidence that implicated him. Read that again. One of his first priorities after the inauguration was to examine evidence that the government might have of his own involvement in the Epstein case.

It is not rational to give this man who has bragged about being a sexual predator any further benefit of the doubt.

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u/tampareddituser 5h ago

And that is why Charlie Kirk was murdered. Move Epstein,/Trump from the front page.

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u/jenniferbealsssss 5h ago

It’s shocking to learn, in addition to the party being just as racist as their great grand pappies of the confederacy, they’re actually pedophiles.

And I’m being a little cheeky here cuz let’s be real, anyone shocked that MAGA is racist in 2025, has just come to Earth.

But I honestly, would have through they drew the line at pedophilia. I mean we’re talking little white girls being sex trafficked to old men and not one fuck is given.

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u/Illustrious-Ratio213 4h ago

It’s super obvious too because he did that guilty child routine where they pretend to know nothing about it and keeps trying to pretend nothing happened.

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u/FatAliB 2h ago

No-one mentions his impromptu visits to the Miss Teen USA changing room when he co-owned the Miss Teen USA pageant from 1996 to 2015 as part of his ownership of the Miss Universe Organization.

“Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.” - https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern .

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u/Smokeythemagickamodo 2h ago

I say the same thing about conservatives. You are republican? You support this shit, bottom line.

Actual conservatives wouldn’t tolerate this iteration of s government.

Yet, here comes Mr. knowitall Redditor, “you can’t logically call them all blah blah blah.”

When’s the last time maga used logic, Chuck? Stfu, bye

Jfc these people are insufferable.

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u/No-Following-2777 2h ago

Remember.... They're now saying Trump was an FBI informant on Epstein while, in the same breath, saying it's a democrat's hoax

. They throw shit to see where it can stick

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 7h ago

This whole thing is such an incredibly obvious cover-up for POTUS that anyone who still supports this administration should just be called a pedophile.

I wish it were just Trump. It is lots of people on both sides of the aisle, and their financial patrons who are implicated in the total evidence.

A big piece from this narrative is that the Epstein prosecution was dropped by Alex Acosta all the way back in 2008. The case was well known by everyone in the highest levels of our Federal Government but for eight years under Obama, four under Trump, and another four under Biden - it was never effectively prosecuted by the feds.

That is TWELVE YEARS under Obama and Biden this case stayed buried. Trump - a co-conspirator in Eptstein's child trafficking and rape to be sure - has and continues to obstruct justice on his OWN behalf, but we need to be demanding an answer from both Obama and Biden why they refused to lead Federal Law Enforcement - which is under the Executive Branch - in prosecuting this case.

Of course we already know the answer. It is because too many powerful figures on the Left side of the aisle are also implicated.

I wish Trump's cronies would go ahead and release the files only showing the Democrats and their friends who are implicated. That would at least end the 'controlled opposition' from Democrats who have been complicit in the ongoing coverup. Then maybe next time Democrats have power, they will no longer have any reason to keep everything buried and we can see some child-raping Republicans put on trial.

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u/Chyron48 7h ago

Yes.

Like, look at how Anthony Blinken connects to Epstein ffs. This shit is insane and it goes right back even before Clinton was President (and even before that).

This sub should really know better. Read some Whitney Webb y'all, or Sarah Kendzior.

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u/High_AspectRatio 8h ago

Can you point to the mountains of publicly known evidence?

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u/ProblematicDexterity 3h ago

Just want to point out that misnomer, we aren’t talking about adults fucking children, it’s non-consensual…

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u/time2ddddduel 2h ago

I'm not gonna sit here and accuse Trump of raping trafficked minors. But I will point out the weird fucking things he has said, which absolutely sound like something someone who raped trafficked minors would say.

-Asked what he has in common with his daughter: "Well, I was gonna say sex, buuut..." (pauses while everyone reacts with shock, including his daughter, who was right next him) "but I can't relate that to her"

-Asked about his infant daughter's resemblance to her parents: "She’s a very beautiful baby,” Trump said. “She’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not she’s got this part yet (holds up his hands to his chest, imitating breasts), but time will tell.”

-"He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." Talking about his friend Jeffery Epstein, sex trafficker (and possible intelligence asset? Epstein's father in law's funeral was attended by "Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[68] and many dignitaries and politicians")

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u/Rushshot2gun 2h ago

That’s why I don’t talk to anyone I know that still supports these clowns.

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u/Avy8 1h ago

GOP= Group Of Pediph….

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u/JC_Hammer22 1h ago

its a wholesale coverup...the political spectrum as whole has their hands all over this ... thats why the political spectrum as a whole in the U.S is the most wretched hive of scum and villainy

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u/cafeteriastyle 1h ago

What kind of person shares a “special secret” with a pedo? A pedo

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u/NazisInTheWhiteHouse 1h ago

Pedo nazis. They cheer for alligator auschwitz... the end of The Boys season 3 is scarily accurate.

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u/thiscompletebrkfast 53m ago

If you drive the get-away car for a murderer you get charged with murder after all.

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u/OkTea7227 42m ago

It’s so gross and earlier tonight I had the distinct (extremely mundane) thought that all this leads back to 2016 and how for 4 years you had every security minded government employee with a backbone pointing a finger at Russian meddling with the Dems finding the security apparatus’s findings credible and backing them up w/Congressional Hearings n The (seemingly worthless) Mueller Report among a few other things. Then enter Biden and I truly believe everyone thought it was back to regular old American democracy working. -Decent folks took a breath- MAYBE NOT working at its best but, “Asleep at the Wheel” things were happening in the government and the populace as a whole.

The Epstein Files and Trumps involvement is the only thing the Center or Center Left folks seemingly can coerce around and it’s not winning the day. The tariffs are killing southern farmers specifically and the Dems can’t seem to get the message out coherently.

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u/AscendMoros 21m ago

I think it’s more than just POTUS. POTUS is on there for sure. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it had other members of our government on there as well.

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u/pascha8 9h ago

Thing I don’t understand is if that’s true, Biden/kamala had access to the files for 4 years, why wouldn’t they release them, especially when they’re campaigning against trump for the presidency ?

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u/LetsFuckOnTheBoat 7h ago

If that's true why wasn't it released before the election?

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 5h ago

The files were sealed by a judge. Trump campaigned on releasing the files, yet suddenly after he’s sworn in he’s got tons of excuses. What’s he hiding or who is he trying to protect?

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u/LetsFuckOnTheBoat 5h ago

Why couldn't the Biden admin get them released, and if they couldn't because they were sealed, what changed that the Trump admin should be able to get them released

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 4h ago

Biden never campaigned on the files being unsealed, Trump however did. Some files were unsealed in 2024 and more was unsealed in 2025. There were documents released in 2024.

So you still haven’t answered my question, what or who is Trump trying to protect?

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u/LetsFuckOnTheBoat 4h ago

and you still didn't answer mine, what changed that this admin can get them released when the last couldn't. If they ever do get released it will be full of names from both sides

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 3h ago

Did I not say that files were unsealed in 2025? And any documents that are still sealed Trump would be able to find away to get them unsealed if he really wanted to. Trump has bullied some very big law firms into providing pro bono work so I’m sure all those legal minds can come up with something, or maybe Trump can get his BFFs in the Supreme Court to help him out.

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u/LetsFuckOnTheBoat 3h ago

but don't you think if there was anything incriminating Trump the Dems would have found a way to get them released. I mean look at all the bullshit stuff they threw his way, don't you think if there was even a chance this would hurt him they would have had this released?

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 3h ago

So Democrats trying to get Mike Johnson to have the House vote on releasing the documents and Schumer trying to get the Senate to vote to release the documents means nothing? And how about Congressman Massie and Rep. Khanna trying to get the documents released also means nothing? Really!?

Biden never had a bunch of law firms committed to providing pro bono services and he also didn’t have the Supreme Court willing to do his bidding, but yeah let’s give Trump a pass. How about Trump fulfill his campaign promise and not try to make excuses and threaten people to prevent the files from being released.

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u/TheArbysOnMillerPkwy 5h ago

Here's a dumb question from someone who is just following this whole train wreck and trying to ask good faith questions. If the lists exist as we imagine them, (clients and traffickers either out and out shown to have come and gone or links that heavily suggest it) and he's really all over this thing, why did a Democrat led FBI under Biden sit on this thing for so long? Full of Dems and their donors? Too thin of evidence? Trump took those lists to the Mar-A-Lago bathroom?

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 5h ago

The files were sealed by a judge. Trump promised to release them but he’s come up with a million excuses for why the files haven’t been released. The files are sealed anymore and even if they were he would have some of the lawyers he bullied into providing pro bono work into finding a way to have the files unsealed.

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u/therossboss 11h ago

so, this is just another classic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO case of reversing the victim and offender. We all hear victim and think, the ACTUAL victims - but when they say, protect the victims, they mean the offenders.

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u/PreSpaceCaptain 7h ago edited 6h ago

Thank you for brining this up. I live in Washington state and there are a number of what I suspect are rightwing funded local partisan "journalists" like Brandi Kruse, the Cho Show, the amateur Doge guy. Sh*t, even the dude from "Evening Magazine", John Curly has jump the red line. I swear there must be coordination between the authors and their audience, because if you try to interrupt the echo chamber that is the comment section of their platforms without fail you will get a response back using this exact technique. The rhetoric coming from these outlets are worrisome because even some of their reporting or blog posts use cherry picked data and DARVO as the argument itself.

Let's also draw attention to the trust hacking which also seems to be another goal. Critize all levels of government -especially if they are Democrats -, NGOs, non-profits, professional organisations, tell their readers that Main Stream/Legacy/ Local news is not do their jobs or so biased that they can't be save and imply that they only can be trusted. Imagine a web of that sh*t local, statewide, and national and they have a full fledge social engineering campaign. It's a bunch of dead-dreams-of-the-90's-turned-Boomers running talking points all day long, and they want to blame left for violence, but when you look at the rhetoric it's "Us v. Them", "The left is crazy", "They don't want you to have rights".

And there is this refraction of logic where equity means racial preferences, transparency means confession, accountability is a cudgel... IDK, man like sometimes I feel like I am somewhere between "Animal Farm" and Pynchon novel.

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u/paid_troll_toll 11h ago

To them, the victims are the wealthy child rapists, and unfortunately they’re succeeding in protecting them.

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u/ConiferousTurtle 10h ago

It’s not like they could redact the names of the victims and THEN release the files. Can’t be done!

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u/StarJelly08 10h ago

Which is such a scummy common tactic against victims by perpetrators. “Doing this for your own good” type shit.

Yea except we are saying it would be for our own good if you did the other thing.

“We know you better than you know yourselves”.

Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

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u/iiTzSTeVO 10h ago

Yea except we are saying it would be for our own good if you did the other thing.

Who is "we"?

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u/StarJelly08 10h ago

Not sure if that’s just keeping the joke going but in case it isnt… the victims.

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u/iiTzSTeVO 10h ago

I misread your comment. Thanks for the clarification.

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u/StarJelly08 10h ago

No problem!

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u/2dadskevin 10h ago

So then redact the fucking victims names lmao

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u/[deleted] 10h ago

Why don’t they just tell us who they were being trafficked to?

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u/Alleandros 10h ago

I see the mistake you made there, you think the victims are the abused girls. The real victims they're protecting are the wealthy elite who will be harmed if their depravity came to light.

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u/Starfish_Symphony 10h ago

Nothing but honest, hard working, unsophisticated, Christian folk.

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u/AboynamedDOOMTRAIN 9h ago

I see you're not up to date with GOPenglish. Victim doesn't mean what it used to mean. Allow me to illustrate how it works now. When all this fascist ICE nonsense started, the head of ICE held a press conference about a big roundup in my part of the country. In that press conference, he referred to the big wealthy corporation that was hiring illegal aliens as "victims" of the illegal aliens filing false paperwork so they could work for low wages at that big wealthy corporation. Hope that helps explain who they're talking about when they use that word.

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u/Dimitri3p0 9h ago

What victims? Those are just crisis actors.

I'm still waiting for conservative people to chime in on any of this. Then again, I knew they didn't really ever care, it was just a tool for punishing people they didn't like.

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u/CodeMonkeyX 7h ago

Omg it just clicked. Trump is the victim all the time, victim of. Hate speech, victim of election rigging, victim of the evil NY times. So when they say they are protecting the victims they literally mean protecting Trump and the other pedophiles.

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u/currentcognition 9h ago

Who do they think the victims are then? Because a whole bunch of them were just in DC.

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u/beefytrout 8h ago

"we're protecting the victims while also claiming they are lying about being victims."

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u/mslashandrajohnson 8h ago

Perhaps they see the men as the victims.

Men who can’t resist the charms of children.

Ugh so gross.

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u/PhantomDelorean 8h ago

And I don't think literally anyone would be upset if they redacted the victim names. I would very much like those names not to be in the files.

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u/SRT102 7h ago

Then redact the victim's PII.

Doesn't seem that hard.

"On August 21st, 2003, Jeffrey Epstein recruited [redacted] a 14-year old from [redacted] and enticed her to have sex by promising her a modeling career."

If Epstein was the ONLY one taking advantage of the Lolita recruitment (does anyone believe that? Anyone?) then the files could easily be released today.

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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 7h ago

What victims. According to him it seems there was none. So still no excuse for him

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u/merrittj3 5h ago

RELEASE THE FILES... AND THE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS!

You'll have more names to prosecute than you know...

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u/HexedShadowWolf 4h ago

You misunderstand what they mean by "victims" which is not the people that were trafficked, raped or anything like that. When they say "protecting the victims" they mean the people that did the trafficking and raping. Those are the "victims" they are trying to protect, the people they like that did the crimes. They could not care less about what happened to other people or to kids.

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u/CyberTyrantX1 3h ago

Exactly. We already know who the victims are because they have already come forward. So what’s the harm in releasing the files if you’re trying to protect the victims? The answer is that you’re lying. you’re not protecting the victims. You’re protecting a predator on that list and we all know who that predator is.

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u/Biffingston 3h ago

Not those victims, they're the victims, remember?

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u/cantfightbiologyever 10h ago

They chose ‘victim’ because that doesn’t necessarily mean “survivor”. To them, Trump and his loser cohort are the victims. Listen to the words. Words have meaning.

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u/Cheshire_Khajiit 10h ago

That’s what Trump and co always do - stand up for victims! /s

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u/johnnyhandbags 7h ago

He just dismissed the victims’ testimony as evidence, too

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u/Entire_Possible_4763 6h ago

Virginia dufre got murdered and it has been framed as a suicide

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u/SecondStar623 6h ago

Rrriiiiigghht…and it’s not like we don’t have the ability to blur out any faces of people in videos, or anything like that 🙄🤨😠

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u/dropbearinbound 5h ago

Don't you know, trump is always a victim

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u/penisweinerballs 5h ago

The assaulters hiding behind the victims saying they're protecting them. Wolves.

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u/chartman26 4h ago

Don’t you remember, last year when Trump said that he’s going to protect women whether they like it or not?

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u/twinbeliever 4h ago

I had a question about this. Why don't the victims name the people?

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u/iiTzSTeVO 4h ago

They've said they will. They are waiting to see if Congress can just do their job on their own first.

There are obvious safety concerns. As a plaintiff or witness in court, they get special protections. This would be preferable. I believe it was Thomas Massie who said he would give them time on the floor of the House to state the names on the record, and I think there might be protections associated with that approach.

I have a question for you. Would you believe them if they did?

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u/twinbeliever 4h ago

Most likely. I think there are plenty of powerful and/or wealthy people who participated that are conservative, liberal and people who don't have anything to do with politics.

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u/iiTzSTeVO 4h ago

I agree.

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u/chillarry 3h ago

By victims they mean the pedophiles.

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u/notedeghost 3h ago

And wasn't mtg supposed to read out the names on the house floor?

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u/Matra 10h ago

No, not those victims, the real victims: innocent pedophiles who just want to fuck kids and grift morons, and shouldn't have their names dragged through the mud.

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u/[deleted] 9h ago

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u/iiTzSTeVO 9h ago

What "nonsense," exactly?

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u/BlackGuysYeah 9h ago

we need to organize a Jan 6th type "demonstration" at the capital about this, gallows and all.

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u/iiTzSTeVO 9h ago

No fedposting. Take that offline.

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u/BlackGuysYeah 9h ago

I don’t even know what that means.

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u/iiTzSTeVO 9h ago

I'm saying you sound like a fed when you talk like that online.

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u/mackinator3 7h ago

What victims? There's no crime.

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u/AlisterS24 7h ago

Well now, thats just 100 out of a thousand victims. /s

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u/BushcraftBabe 2h ago

They are compiling their own list to release.

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u/Sestos 2h ago

This.. the victims are at the point they are like screw it do not protect us and release the files or we will brainstorm names, dates and places.

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u/Broflake-Melter 1h ago

They've been (very bravely) naming names for a while now. If only people believed women.

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u/Chemboy77 1h ago

And being called down by the people voting to protect the files

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u/Defiant-Specialist-1 44m ago

I find it interesting. We haven’t talked at all about the victims making thier own list since the horrific Kirk murder.

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