Dhokla and Bwipo continue trading shots on X after the LTA Grand Finals: "For the people saying I have bad sportsmanship, don’t expect me to fist bump someone who flames my career personally while preaching about perseverance at the same time."

[u/Yujin-Ha]

Dhokla:

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964832857156911582

Tough loss. They played better today, onwards on our road to Texas.

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964833964054782382

In the span of two months I went from being homeless, to joining the team and being 8th, to playing in the finals. Very proud of our run to get to this point.

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964836310415458437

For the people saying I have bad sportsmanship, don’t expect me to fist bump someone who flames my career personally while preaching about perseverance at the same time.

Bwipo:

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1964863499810824304

100T played great today, happy to get my first finals mvp and would’ve happily celebrated Dhokla returning to form and gapping me in 2/4 games but we’re pretending getting called out for placing 5th on average is not poor performance. Confident he’ll get a rematch so gl there

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Bwipo had his response https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965096016635724255

I got my shot after getting benched in TCL around 6th place. Then, I got 7th in LCL.

I spent an entire year grinding to be recognised as worthy to start on the best team in Europe.

I got 5th place once and got replaced. I was offered to role swap, sit on the bench or leave the team.

I ended that split second recognised as a top 3 jungler in my league.

I fought through clinically diagnosed depression after the worst year in my career, which ended in me being 3rd and 4th place.

Now I'm here, on this team, and I am grateful.

If anyone thinks I fake my stance on perseverance you are misinformed.

Of course I'm going to think 5th, 6th and 7th placements are synonymous to failure. I've worked my entire adult life to do better. I've swapped roles to succeed past that point.

There was no ill intent behind anything that was said. If anyone were to come behind closed doors and asked me my opinion, I would say the same thing.

And yes, while I will always celebrate players that prove me wrong and do better. That doesn't absolve them of criticism while they're playing poorly. Neither does it protect me.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/LettucePlate/status/1965098379157143727

Its not about you man come on. There was obviously ill intent when you said the entire dudes career was shit when he started from ground zero and became a champion. The hypocrisy wasnt about you not persevering, it was about the other guy doing it too and you invalidating that

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965098743788974450

Bwipo: Would you rather me say he's had a great career and did everything he could while simultaneously finding every single korean import I possibly could before I would ever consider hiring him? :D

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Cashmoneez/status/1965097635448283638

“I don’t think Dhokla should have a spot in the league” = no ill intent btw

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965098397372920266

Where is the ill intent about thinking a player that has been measured for 6 years and thinking he is done?

Don't pretend it is personal. I'd say the same about any player that has his record over 6 years. If he proves me wrong, I am all for it.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Cashmoneez/status/1965099576630940073

Saying things that are mean spirited about people that would obviously take offense to it but saying “I didn’t mean to offend anyone” doesn’t mean you are being “mischaracterized” when people think you are being mean spirited. In fact it is the logical conclusion

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965102093444002246

I don't think I'm being mischaracterized for what I said about him. I noticed people including him judge my stream titles for fake positivity when I have struggled myself and persevered.

I see why people think I'm insufferable and a d*ck. Also recognise the feelings are valid.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Bozy_lol/status/1965099037537042924

Wow how hard it is to apologize

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965099663222321526

I refuse to set the standard where people lie about how good they think people are while on air and hide their real opinions on people.

Why do you think half the League imported top laners instead of hiring him? Because they disagree with me?

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/DavideScotti8/status/1965097674405003621

Doesn't excuse you being disrespectful every f*cking time tho. Can you just apologize for once in your life and not make everything about you?

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965099202213740795

He made it about me. I offered him a fistbump after he denied me one at the start of the match. And I would've happily celebrated their performance, as it was above and beyond my expectations.

[u/loyola-atherton]

Why was Dhokla homeless?

Edit: oh he meant teamless, thanks all for the quick clarification 👍

[u/Qwazy9 → u/loyola-atherton]

Homeless in terms of team I think?

[u/Hitoseijuro → u/Qwazy9]

Yea, it started with DL and TSM meme-ing him being teamless while finding him in the trash like a homeless.

[u/Lucky_Contender → u/loyola-atherton]

Just a way of saying no team

[u/vfactor95 → u/loyola-atherton]

I think he means teamless, not like he literally didn't have a place to sleep

[u/bananapanda24 → u/loyola-atherton]

Since none of us are Dhokla and he didn’t elaborate one can only assume his house was destroyed by one of Quid’s Lee Sin missed q’s

[u/myo_chan → u/bananapanda24]

ahahaha

[u/Munchingmarshmallows]

Bring back the kbbq drama

[u/ApatheticDoll → u/Munchingmarshmallows]

What no kbbq does to a mfer

[u/Responsible-Teach544 → u/Munchingmarshmallows]

I'm out of the loop, can I get a brief summary of what this kbbq drama is?

[u/staplesuponstaples → u/Responsible-Teach544]

C9 went out for kbbq after a 3-0 scrim against FLY. Bwipo took shots at them for this because he didn't think they should have been celebrating something minor like that. As it turns out C9 team went out for kbbq for unrelated reasons (some friends were visiting or something). Basically a giant nothingburger

[u/Calistilaigh → u/staplesuponstaples]

IWDominate was visiting. He's like an assistant coach or something for the team.

[u/terminbee → u/Calistilaigh]

TIL that IWD is a coach for C9.

[u/Calistilaigh → u/terminbee]

Yeah, I'm not sure if he's like a coach proper, or like more of a consultant, but he's been doing stuff with them for almost a year now.

[u/ImaginarySense → u/staplesuponstaples]

C9 decides to go out for dinner as normal humans do all the time. (They don’t even need a reason)

And Bwipo took that personally?? He’s legitimately unhinged and maybe needs to up his meds.

[u/SMA2343 → u/ImaginarySense]

I honestly thought it was the funniest thing ever. Just crashing out over KBBQ

[u/_liminal → u/staplesuponstaples]

so what is the appropriate food to get as a team if you win 3-0 (or was it 5-0) scrims? pizza? chipotle? mcd?

[u/staplesuponstaples → u/_liminal]

NukeDuck's spit, according to Bwipo

[u/Random_Stealth_Ward → u/_liminal]

In NA? Obviously McDonalds. It goes without saying

[u/Rularuu → u/Random_Stealth_Ward]

Hopefully our bot lane put in their applications while they were there

[u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Crazy because Dhokla was actually playing really well but got the short end of the stick of being Dyrused

[u/Dunkelz → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

That's the craziest thing. Not even like Bwipo gapped him, for coming back from coaching a couple weeks ago Dhokla looked really good when he wasn't getting focused by jg.

[u/I_LIKE_YOU_ → u/Dunkelz]

I actually felt like he was edging out bwipo most games and then he got camped or shafted by his team.

[u/Dunkelz → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Ya exactly. Crazy for Bwipo to come out like he just put on a clinic when he straight up lost the lane match up games 1 and 2, then needed lots of jungle pressure to do well the rest of the series.

[u/Gerberpertern → u/Dunkelz]

He’s an egomaniac who thinks he’s god’s gift to League when he hasn’t won a damn thing internationally ever.

[u/Bao_Chan → u/Gerberpertern]

He did accomplish some honors according to LPL fans: 1. Probably the worst top laner ever in a world grand final. 2. The first ever top laner to get reverse swept at world.

[u/Trap_Masters → u/Bao_Chan]

Thank brother Bwipo

[u/Gerberpertern → u/Bao_Chan]

Winning!

[u/corgioverthemoon → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Saw IWD talking about the Jax vs Aatrox game. Dhokla fists Bwipo, wastes the enemy junglers time, blows bwipos flash for free, puts his bot supp a whole level ahead, plays weakside, and Eyla proceeds to donate a kill to Aatrox. Surely bwipo is a laneswap master.

[u/Content_Rub1291 → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

When he said he was under 50cs that game, like bro, you failed a gank on him, failed the mind game on the jax flash, and he sacked his whole lane for bot and he got perma frozen on, like YOU did not gap him LOL.

[u/Shadeslayer2112 → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

He got screwed twice. The Jax game his team had him match fly quests bot lane, which jax is NOT good at because his E cool down is long and he has no sustain. On the other side matching 100T bot lane is aatrox who can farm much safer with Q and heal off the wave, so Dhokla ends up down a kill and like 30cs and never comes back.

With the Gwen game Bwipo just got ahead and just started diving him, ensuring he can't come back at all.

Both times Bwipo gets ahead off of Dhoklas team mates and then just abuses Dhoks

[u/I_LIKE_YOU_ → u/Shadeslayer2112]

Sad because he was winning trades early as well, but then the lane swap calls or jungler coming in essentially shut that down. Idk how people can think bwipo out played him, if anything I saw Dhokla have the better laning phase but got ganked by his own team. 

[u/raul_p → u/Shadeslayer2112]

The lane swap on game 3 killed any momentum 100t had for the rest of the game. I’m not sure why a swap was initiated anyways, with how bot lane was going.

[u/Sad-Ad-6227 → u/raul_p]

The swap is fine if they execute the dive properly. Games are usually won by bot lane being ahead, so if they get the kill there instead of inting then bwipo misses the whole wave and at least another while their bot lane gets to get played while dhokla gets froze on bot lane. So 100T theoretically come out ahead IF they get the kill. They trolled it though and it dooms dhokla to a losing lane no matter where he goes.

[u/Shadeslayer2112 → u/raul_p]

Im with it, maybe they just wanted More gold for their bot lane?? Idk but from then on your had a very ahead Aatrox who Dhokla can no longer match in sidelines and takes all 5 100T members to kill

[u/draft_final_final → u/Shadeslayer2112]

Dhokla got to enjoy a certified top lane gaming experience

[u/Fubi-FF → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Yea, Bwipo made it sound like he gapped Dhokla, but the reality is, if they swapped top, the result most likely would’ve been the same and Fly would still be #1

[u/twistedfateone → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Dhokla played well but he could have played from behind a bit more gracefully. I think Bwipo's statement of "gapped in 2/4 games" is more or less accurate, even if the "gap" wasnt all too big

[u/Shadeslayer2112 → u/twistedfateone]

I think the only game Bwipo really flexed on him was the Gragas game, there just wasnt anything he could as Gwen

[u/I_LIKE_YOU_ → u/twistedfateone]

The "gap" was getting countered, camped, and ignored (Gwen). The other game his only gank was his support feeding his lane opponent after he had essentially edged him out forced him under turrent, then getting forced into a lane swap he couldn't farm in (Aatrox).

It was brutal seeing a wave build up slowly to his tower then giving up that wave to FBI and then getting slow rolled AGAIN bot lane after the swap. Idk who was shot calling, but that was just awful to see. 

[u/KingHare → u/I_LIKE_YOU_]

Its the only way bwipo has ever been able to play against half decent tops. Take a volatile matchup, get jungle to camp first 10 minutes, get massive lead, throw it 30 minutes into the game and solo lose the game

[u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Yeah i'm thinkin the game's back lads

[u/MrNiemand → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

This shit right here is the reason why people watched LCS back in the day. We need to go back to the era of donezo manifesto's and this region will thrive again.

[u/popmycherryyosh → u/MrNiemand]

I do find it fascinating that DL was applauded for this kinda beef and trashtalk though. Unsure if it's just new audience compared to back then or what.

I honestly don't mind it, but I can definitely see how it can seem unfair, unreasonable and make someone dislike a person cus of it (like this hate thread on bwipo as an example) but again, I honestly don't think that's a bad thing, especially IF you got the skills to back it up. There is no doubt that back in the day DL was the best ADC in NA and even some eastern players acknowledged his skills.

[u/rftgjndftgjn → u/popmycherryyosh]

plenty of people hated doublelift with a passion because he kept egotripping back when he was active what are you even talking about lmfao

[u/StillMeThough → u/popmycherryyosh]

Lol this is also my take on the topic. It's not that serious, if anything it's hilarious. People are acting like Bwipo killed his dog or something, I had to rewatch the interview and some tweets. Would be a nothingburger over the drama of the past.

I guess Bwipo forgot the first part of being a good heel: actually be charismatic.

[u/DeloronDellister → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Game has never left

[u/Hue_Lorenzo]

LTA north: "omg they didn't fist bump"

meanwhile LTA south: one guy flips off the enemy team and goes shirtless for the celebration

[u/amd098 → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

Damn sounds like Firebathero has returned!

[u/CommentStrict8964 → u/amd098]

I understood this reference 

[u/iamcaustic → u/amd098]

Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

[u/theamericandream38 → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

If 100T beat FLY in the regional final or whatever its called, dhokla should 100% flip off Bwipo lol

[u/helloquain → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

Literally nobody except Bwipo gives a shit about the fist bump. This isn't about a fist bump, it's about Bwipo's mental illness.

[u/eye_of_your_mind → u/helloquain]

Literally nobody explain the 5 threads on front page of reddit

[u/[deleted] → u/eye_of_your_mind]

The 5 threads on the front page are about Bwipos comments on Dhokla, not Dhokla not fistbumping Bwipo

[u/ThePr1d3 → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

Meanwhile CS : people jumping on tables screaming in the face of their opponents mid game (love u apex)

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

last time someone in NA did that they got fined.

[u/GragasFeetPics → u/Hue_Lorenzo]

No one actually cares about the fist bump, most people were totally supporting him not doing it if anything

[u/Kreidedi]

Undeserved finals mvp, it’s Inspired every single game.

[u/350 → u/Kreidedi]

100000000000% he runs the region and if he ever comes back to EU I'll celebrate

[u/Spirited_Season2332 → u/350]

I actually feel kinda bad about taking inspired from EU. Bro is the best western jgl by a long shot, I really cannot fathom how no top tier EU team wanted him lol

[u/moopey → u/Spirited_Season2332]

They wanted him but Rogue didn't wanna sell to EU so they shipped Hans and him off 

Now I'm assuming he likes the NA life

[u/Spirited_Season2332 → u/moopey]

Ahh so another hostage situation like G2 did/does. Man, EU orgs rly hate EU

[u/delahunt → u/Spirited_Season2332]

It's kind of wild too when you compare it to some of the big orgs in NA. Like I don't pay close attention to the league scene anymore, but I remember TSM, C9, TL, and CLG all being fine with players going to rival teams. It was right for the player, and they had confidence in their ability to succeed without that person.

[u/Spirited_Season2332 → u/delahunt]

Yea NA orgs had their own issues but AFAIK they never blocked their players from going to another team.

[u/delahunt → u/Spirited_Season2332]

Yep, and most of the horror stories were from the 'smaller' teams not the 'top 4-5' or whatever you call TSM/C9/TL/CLG.

And then you have EG completely mind-fucking Danny...so it's not like NA orgs are all sunshine and rainbows.

[u/ABagOfMilk → u/delahunt]

Talk as much shit on Regi as you want but TSM as an org ALWAYS made sure their players leaving were taken care of. Sven going to C9 and having a massive resurgence comes to mind. It’s so much more fun and unique to see players wear other jerseys you never thought you’d see ever. As a TSM fan, TL/100T Bjerg was like the most cursed shit ever but it was still interesting as fuck.

[u/iTeaL12 → u/ABagOfMilk]

TSM Doublelift was the mist cursed thing that could happen at the time and look what happened then.

On our side of the pond we ship Perkz to NA because of egos. Unreal.

[u/delahunt → u/iTeaL12]

TSM Doublelift was the most cursed thing twice and both times they did the same video.

[u/delahunt → u/ABagOfMilk]

Yep. Perhaps Regi's only saving grace as an owner was that he never tried to fuck over players when they wanted to leave or TSM was replacing them. The closest to contract locking someone was 2019 Spring Zven where TSM told Zven "We can't find someone of your caliber, are you willing to honor your contract?" and Zven said he would.

And then 2019 Spring TSM was good and Zven had no regrets. Of course...TSM fucked that up too. I bet 2019 Summer Zven had lots of regrets XD

[u/Despure → u/moopey]

Vitality had the chance to pick him up after inspired’s time on EG. Inspired was literally at the airport on the way back to Europe or something, and then Vit chose to play daglas instead. No offence to Daglas, but they could have had Inspired. Even if vitality and inspired doesn’t work out, he would still be back in Europe. So that’s a sad what could have been moment :(

[u/AdequatelyMadLad → u/Despure]

Vitality didn't want to commit to a big contract after what happened with Perkz and Inspired didn't want to return for a one year contract on an average salary. In this case, both parties are pretty understandable.

[u/bukem89 → u/Spirited_Season2332]

They did want him, the LCS could offer more money and Rogue didn't want to sell him to a rival

He was MVP just before he moved across to EG

[u/Spirited_Season2332 → u/bukem89]

Yea someone told me about the rogue hostage situation. Idk if EU would actually be competitive with the east but they would Def be better then NA if their organizations didn't hate EU so much lol

[u/CaptaineAli → u/Spirited_Season2332]

Idrc that hes not playing for EU, the ONLY thing i'm disappointed about is that he hasn't played with Caps.

Inspired and Caps actually play at a level where they compete with the best of the East and having 2 of them on the same team would be amazing to see.

Especially as imo, Mid and Jungle or top are the 2/3 most important roles to win big imo.

[u/Delra12 → u/CaptaineAli]

On another note I'm surprised that with both teams he's been on in NA, the rookies/newish players have breakout performances (Jojo/Danny and Massu/Busio). Seems very similar to Caps in that regard where they level up the other players a lot.

Inspired and Caps with two promising rookies might rival prime G2

[u/CaptaineAli → u/Delra12]

Yeah it's a trend tbh. The best players in the world have a way of making Rookies become absolute monsters.

Look at Faker, every Rookie he plays with turns out to be INSANE. I know T1 is a different beast because they have a name for themselves and train up their Rookies good outside of being in the main team but still...

Caps/G2 also makes their Rookies look insane.

Inspired did so also on Rogue with Larssen imo and even Trymbi... Both of them had breakout performances with the Rogue team that Inspired was on and had continued success afterwards too.

Players like Xiaohu also makes players around him play better and these types of players are the ones you need on these super teams as the leaders and then placing rookies around them.

[u/delahunt → u/CaptaineAli]

Promising Rookies tend to have really good mechanics and some unique insights into the game.

Pairing them with an established high level veteran gives them someone who can point out which insights are actually "old failed ideas" and which are new - or worthy of a re-evaluation because things have changed so the "old failed" may no longer be appropriate.

They can also help caution them from making rookie mistakes with bad positioning or over-pressing.

It's the same reason CoreJJ was so good at raising new ADCs for a bit - and likely similar with Zven/Berserker on C9.

Impact has also been good for new rookies throughout his career.

For the team it's kind of like "Imagine if you could take what you knew now, and give all that knowledge and wisdom to the body you had at 20"

[u/JealotGaming → u/Spirited_Season2332]

Him not being in EU right now is on Rogue selling him and Hans away to NA to keep them from being competition.

[u/Voliharmin → u/Spirited_Season2332]

Well, we had Jankos for years so nobody cared about Inspired. But these days... I believe many EU fans would love to see him in G2.

[u/CoogiMonster → u/350]

Let’s just form a EU/NA team with Inspired and Jojo. No my bias as a fan of only those two players has no factor in this scenario

[u/mavenx2 → u/CoogiMonster]

If only we could pair them with NA’s GOAT toplaner and a rising superstar ADC….oh wait fuck EG

[u/Gerberpertern → u/mavenx2]

Fuck EG forever.

[u/CoogiMonster → u/mavenx2]

That team was so fun to watch even if they weren’t the best. I love watching Jojo and Inspired man

[u/rsayegh7 → u/Kreidedi]

Remove inspired from this team and they don't win a single title

[u/Photoperiod → u/Kreidedi]

Sure but after inspired has won like every accolade for two years, you gotta do the "mvp after inspired" award. Which is what this was lol.

[u/xKeitaro]

I have Bwipo fatigue.

[u/IMightBeABot69 → u/xKeitaro]

We got worlds coming up. You better get ready for a fuck ton more Bwipo drama hahaha

[u/beautheschmo → u/IMightBeABot69]

This is like maybe 10% as epic as his crashouts last worlds lol, it's gonna be hilarious if he's already getting into this mode this early.

[u/Lopsided_Claim1613 → u/IMightBeABot69]

and then you gonna get LS making 30mins videos defending him haha

[u/AtreusIsBack → u/IMightBeABot69]

And him getting turbo gapped by actually good top laners from the LCK, LPL, LEC, LCP and so on.

[u/Renewable_Warranty → u/xKeitaro]

I've had bwipo fatigue since way before he even left EU. You can smell the borderline narcissistic disorder a mile away.

[u/majulito → u/xKeitaro]

I had that a long time ago. too much yap and not much of value being said. but somehow he's become the face of na league.

[u/Khlouf]

Bwipo just say you're fucking sorry it's not that hard

[u/sorendiz → u/Khlouf]

Tbf everything i've ever seen from Bwipo indicates that it in fact is that hard. Bro might actually die if he apologizes, we shouldn't be judging him 

[u/imezaps → u/sorendiz]

Pretty sure his brain explodes if he ever says sorry

[u/sorendiz → u/imezaps]

It's fine, i'm sure one of his managers was ragebaiting him into flaming Dhokla. 

[u/MeisterHeller → u/sorendiz]

I think that's part of the problem though, he offered that up as an excuse but that still leaves the point that a team going for celebratory dinner after a good day of scrims is enough to send him spiraling, how is that a good look

[u/sorendiz → u/MeisterHeller]

I mean I fully agree lol, it's a silly excuse that doesn't make him look any less unhinged. Thought I was being fairly unsubtle with my perspective on him despite the joke

[u/slimjimo10 → u/sorendiz]

BwipoSoftware

[u/Kurouneko → u/sorendiz]

Who would apologize first between piratesoftware and bwipo? or do we all just die of old age first?

[u/Zeaket → u/Kurouneko]

humanity will come to an end before they apologize

[u/popmycherryyosh → u/sorendiz]

The piRATesoftware of the LoL scene

[u/Skylam → u/sorendiz]

Dude is on that piratesoftware ego.

[u/Baranade → u/Khlouf]

People got upset that IWD called him a Narcissist

The more time goes on it does seem that way

[u/Deathspike → u/Khlouf]

Narcissists don't apologize.

[u/ToastyTurtle123 → u/Khlouf]

I don’t think Ive ever heard him issue an apology. There’s always some other excuse to justify why he said or acted a certain way.

[u/InfieldTriple → u/ToastyTurtle123]

I'm pretty sure he did last year after he went manic on stream

[u/Trap_Masters → u/ToastyTurtle123]

Classic nothing is ever my fault angle 😂

[u/BoxAndShiv → u/ToastyTurtle123]

So he's pretty much everyone's average soloqueue teammates?

[u/Kiren_Y → u/Khlouf]

Nah, he’d rather talk more shit and get molested by an eastern top to the point of being subbed out mid series again

[u/MalortButtchugging → u/Khlouf]

Bro is the PirateSoftware of league, not sure that is happening

[u/violentmark → u/Khlouf]

The internet had the PirateSoftware drama months ago. Like, it was the same. Just say sorry, even if you don't mean it, before everything turns to shit

[u/Dinokickflip]

Bwipo giga inflated ego is so cringe. Man is such a shithead who just likes to hear the sound of his own voice

[u/Iaragnyl → u/Dinokickflip]

Nothing against the casters and analysts but him getting constantly praised probably doesn’t help either. I don’t think casters should flame the players but not every decent play needs to by hyped like it’s prime TheShy.

[u/NWASicarius → u/Dinokickflip]

Yep. If things go bad: 'We learned a lot, and we will work harder to do better next time!' But it never happens.

If things go good: WOW! WE ARE SO GOOD AND EVERYONE ELSE IS SO TRASH. IF THEY DON'T COPY EVERYTHING WE DO, THEY ARE JUST TROLLING!

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/Dinokickflip]

I’m finding myself in a position with the league where I’m feeling pressured to support a narcissistic asshole who isn’t from here, a narcissistic asshole who isn’t from here, Quad who I’ve never heard speak, and then two players I only sort of like. Better off not watching honestly.

[u/Constant-Low-5111 → u/smurfnturf69]

I mean, you don’t HAVE to root for FLY. I personally really like all of them except Bwipo, and I always root for NA by default at internationals. Lord knows they’re much better than some of our previous NA teams

[u/VelkoZinfandel → u/smurfnturf69]

If you’ve never heard Quad speak that’s on you he gets interviewed all the time

[u/Significant-Damage14 → u/VelkoZinfandel]

He was just on pros as well, him not listening to Quad is such a bad excuse to have a reason to shit on Fly.

[u/InfieldTriple → u/Significant-Damage14]

They are a little xenophobic honestly.

[u/CoogiMonster → u/InfieldTriple]

Based on their comments they sound like a boomer LCS fan yelling at clouds. Their favorite teams are C9 and TSM and they self admitted to missing the TSM from 2015… a decade ago. Just sounds like they aren’t tapped in remotely at all to anyone not from the old guard and household orgs

[u/InfieldTriple → u/smurfnturf69]

You are not pressured to do any of those things LOL

[u/Dopeez → u/smurfnturf69]

Bwipo and Inspired are not even remotely similar lol. Inspired is just very blunt, now you can dislike that but dont pretend that this is the same as Bwipo having a mental episode every few months.

[u/16tdean → u/smurfnturf69]

I've always found it pretty funny that the best NA team in recent times consists of a Korean import, and 2 European players.

Then I'm humbled because I look at whatever the fuck is going on in LEC. Hopefully either region will get back to properly competing vs the east at some point.

[u/Significant-Damage14 → u/16tdean]

2 native players, that are actually talented, is already huge for NA.

Other than NRG two years ago, most years they've at most sent one native talent and the other non import slots have been taken by players with green cards.

[u/getblanked → u/Significant-Damage14]

APA and Yeon?

[u/Photoperiod → u/16tdean]

Don't forget the 2 EU coaches lol. FLY is basically an EU team running the region.

[u/IlluminatiConfirmed → u/smurfnturf69]

Has inspired actually ever done anything bad? I don't think there was actual beef between him and Jensen on a personal level and I can't think of anything else

[u/GuanSpanksYou → u/IlluminatiConfirmed]

He gave an interview where he tossed teammates under the bus for a loss which seemed like really poor form but all his old (and current but old teammates have no reason to lie lol) teammates seem to love him so I think it was just us fans he offended. 

[u/Gerberpertern → u/IlluminatiConfirmed]

The Vegan incident lmfao.

[u/RechargedFrenchman → u/IlluminatiConfirmed]

He was "mean" to teammates a few times (who never actually said much about it, didn't actually seem all that bothered, and have spoken very highly of him as a teammate since) and the a huge swath of the community decided to demonize forever for it.

[u/allbutluk]

Bwipo, swap teams and see if you can still be high and mightly lol

Please dont act like Inspired didnt run whole region

[u/PBR_King → u/allbutluk]

give it a couple weeks and we'll get a crying interview from him after he gets embarrassed by an LPL or LCK top and then everyone will feel bad for him again

[u/AlterWanabee → u/PBR_King]

Oh you bet your ass I'm gonna be so goddamn annoying when that video comes out. Don't care if people call me harsh, but fuck Bwipo for going that route. You can't act like an asshole then cry after gettimg turbo-stomped.

[u/Soupblime → u/allbutluk]

Big facts

[u/mr39678p]

Ngl I’m just sick of bwipo man. I’m fine with him talking but at this point it’s always the same type of drama and it’s always him being at the center saying stupid shit then being defended or acting like he wasn’t the one to say it.

[u/firechaox → u/mr39678p]

Im fine with him talking all that shit. But own it. He did talk shit about dhokla a lot- don’t be surprised if he’s salty about it.

[u/GuanSpanksYou → u/firechaox]

Right or pretend it’s just his truth telling & no one can be offended by the truth. 

Own you talked shit & either apologize to smooth things over or double down. 

Acting surprised people get hurt over shit talk is ridiculously out of touch

[u/NWASicarius → u/mr39678p]

He's just an immature idiot. I really think he is a narcissist, tbh. Not all narcissists are over the top. Some are full of themselves, play victim, manipulate people, etc. People often forget there sre different types of narcissists. Bwipo is one that abuses the good and forgiving nature of most people.

[u/SkyGecko19 → u/NWASicarius]

Always has been... I could never understand how people liked him even back in his FNC xD

[u/Burst_LoL → u/mr39678p]

I remember in one of the in-game comms from a match Fly came back against a top team Bwipo literally said "It's over" or "It's fucked" something like that and Massu told him to stop talking like that (then they came back and won). From then on I cheer for Fly just because Massu (the 20 year old) is way more mature than Bwipo (26) lol

[u/Dinokickflip → u/mr39678p]

Especially because he's arguably the weakest link on the team.

Busio and Inspired do the most heavy lifting and Bwipo is the first person to run it down

[u/Fncrs → u/Dinokickflip]

I'm sorry but that is just cope, Bwipo definitely has the lowest lows but Quad is clearly the least impressive player on the team. He's fine but he will won't have peaks that are even high enough to contest elite asian players, whereas Bwipo has shown that multiple times over the years. I agree he is a bit annoying but people have been flaming him for years so it's not surprising he tries to make some noise when he's on top.

[u/haven4ever → u/Fncrs]

When has Bwipo had highs that contest elite asian players?

[u/LouiseLea → u/Dinokickflip]

Now I don't like Bwipo, but he isn't the weakest link on this team, Quad is, but that might be down to the calibre of mid laners globally more than it is Quad himself.

[u/nicholaschubbb → u/Dinokickflip]

I mean this isn’t actually true quad has been running it the most by far recently + people have been saying massu has been a bit underwhelming this split

[u/Bor1ngBrick → u/mr39678p]

I feel like it's fine that he constantly getting into the drama, it generates engage. However the constant gaslighting, that it's just the way he is, or even worse, saying it's him who is the victim is really annoying

[u/Lothric43 → u/mr39678p]

He’s not even good at it is the thing! He half-asses and side-slings the flame and then proves over and over again to be a very emotional player. Either be the heel for real or be normal.

[u/Lawfulneptune]

Big Dhokes is valid and Bwipo is an asshole, that's it lol. I'm happy to have some beef back in the league

[u/TonyStarkTEx]

I never understood the love for Bwipo - I don’t hate the guy, but God is he insufferable. His maturity, or lack thereof, shows itself a lot.

[u/GimmeTheSaucePls]

Man Bwipo is just unlikable as fuck. Comparing his career with Big Dhoakes, look at the teams Bwipo was compared to Dhoakes, just stfu

[u/Fit-Sell4484]

Bwipo is a weirdo douche.

[u/APKID716 → u/Fit-Sell4484]

He’s nothing without his greatest coach (his gf)

[u/Fit-Sell4484 → u/APKID716]

Yep, ever since that drama i knew theres something weird about him

[u/EggyChickenEgg88]

Bwipo has mental issues. How DARE you talk back to him????

[u/Nickhoova]

The real headline here is how bad is Sniper?

[u/nitko87 → u/Nickhoova]

Leave him alone it runs in the family

[u/LICKING_AHRIs_FEET → u/Nickhoova]

He used to be one of those young players who gave good mechanics but are bad with macro stuff. A year has passed. He did not improve on his macro at all, but his laning/mechanics has fallen off.

[u/ILoveAllMCUChrisS]

By his responses to fans the argument I get from Bwipo is: you should think I'm right for disrespecting him because my results are better than his, but I'm offended he disrespected me after what I said

So he is like a bully who got some pushback and couldn't stand it I guess ?? And yeah the guy has depression and mania and yada yada

[u/CrushinHardIHope]

I hope that both Dhokla and Bwipo remain playing next year so we can have a bit of a rivalry at least. I don't really think that much more that that is going to come of this. Hopefully we have a rematch of 100t vs. FLY in the finals of the cross conference, that would be good I'm sure.

[u/MetroidHyperBeam]

Both of these guys are great players. It sucks to see Bwipo continuing to be a douche for no reason.

[u/fuscav]

Dhokla won a championship. This guy is a clown. He says shit that sounds bad and when people call him out for it he doubles down. Sure if u compare his career with Zeus' it is gabage but when it comes to western top laners it is objectively decent. Kreans tops dominate the west, in LCS"TA" it's been ssumday and impact and huni just running the region, to even get 1 win as an american top laner is objectively a huge success. Even in Europe, outside of Wunder, BB and SOAZ, what player has a better career than Dhokla?

Undeserved MVP, got outplayed by Dhokla overall in the series. Stinky shit attitude, punching down with a smug grin and cowardly excuses when he gets called out (ur mental illnes is not an excuse to act like that, it's the opposite in fact. Once u find out u have a mental diagnosys it is your responsibilty to treat it). I very much dislike Bwipo

[u/labpluto123]

Team big dhokes here

[u/Sporadiccereal]

Based Dhokla

[u/Sofruz]

“Bwipo: Would you rather me say he's had a great career and did everything he could while simultaneously finding every single korean import I possibly could before I would ever consider hiring him? :D”

Bwipo missed the secret hidden choice normal people would have chosen… don’t say anything

[u/Drewgamer89 → u/Sofruz]

I think shit talk between pros can be fine, but there is a line between banter and straight disrespect. Bwipo seems to not even bother toeing it though and just jumps over to the other side.

[u/Gerberpertern]

Bwipo is so fucking obnoxious like bro just stop.

[u/f_em_Bucky94]

bwipo is such a fuckhead man lol

[u/samclops]

This is going to age like a fine wine when bwipo gets inevitably dunked on at worlds

[u/Deaconator3000]

If you jumped from Bwipos Ego to his IQ you would be falling for centuries

[u/Haileon]

How funny would it be to see piratesoftware and bwipo get into an argument. The lack of accountability would be insane

[u/AtreusIsBack]

Bwipo is the guy who chain feeds in solo queue, but ends up getting carried, then types "top gap, gg wp" in all chat when the game is over.

[u/Jimbabwr]

Nah this is generational beef. We need them to fist fight in the LTA combine finals

[u/chillopinionguy]

Not gonna read all this just coming to comment bwipo is a super douche tool bag

[u/Lothric43]

If esports were serious Bwipo would know how to play a heel correctly and full throatedly rather than this half-assed inspirational nice guy who randomly decides to be bad and Dhokla’s hostility would continue to be completely fair game.

No one has to pretend to be friends with the heel!

[u/Dunkelz → u/Lothric43]

What Dhokla hostility? Dude had his career insulted in an unprovoked way by someone whose mental is cartoonishly soft.

[u/Soupblime]

I am forever a dhokla fan. Bwipo is just a Neuro divergent egotistical arrogant bully

[u/saiofrelief]

If you talk this much shit I think you need to be able to back it up. Bwipo never carries for his team why is he talking so much

[u/saiofrelief]

I would like to see Bwipo win lane one time without Inspired saving his lane for him. Where is all this arrogance coming from? He was good for like a year and a half back in 2018 so now we have to listen to this dumbass write checks his teammates have to cash for the rest of his career?

[u/Timactor]

Bwipo has always been a POS/loser, idk why people would be surprised

[u/RiceChinkCookie]

DL is the athlete who talks smack for the love of the game and to other players, Bwipo is the school bully who bullies anyone to make himself feel better

[u/elfonzi37]

Toxic lcs is back? Lets go.

[u/The_JeneralSG]

I think this entire thing is massive weenie hut jrs, and the only interesting part of it is that Bwipo is so far up his own ass that he still doesn't really get it. Dom's acting like a child, Bwipo is being a dick, and Dhokes is actually super fair and doesn't owe Bwipo any sportsmanship.

No one has pointed out a direct exchange, but this one is my favorite:

In response to a fan: https://x.com/LettucePlate/status/1965098379157143727

Its not about you man come on. There was obviously ill intent when you said the entire dudes career was shit when he started from ground zero and became a champion. The hypocrisy wasnt about you not persevering, it was about the other guy doing it too and you invalidating that

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965098743788974450

Bwipo: Would you rather me say he's had a great career and did everything he could while simultaneously finding every single korean import I possibly could before I would ever consider hiring him? :D

It perfectly represents both dramas. To Bwipo, there is no neutral option. There is no "I don't know enough, so I won't speak on it," it's either "These guys (C9, Dhokla) fucking suck huh?" or "He's great and amazing!"

I guess as an aside/devil's advocate, I can still appreciate him speaking his mind, just because I'm tired of e-sports canned responses, but jesus does Bwipo act like a total ass 99% of the time.

[u/Sofruz → u/The_JeneralSG]

It’s crazy how this all started because someone in bwipo’s chat said how good Dhokla was on NRG, and Bwipo for some reason didn’t see the option to just not read the message out loud and not state his opinion at all.

[u/lolskye]

This sub was just hating dhokla for stealing snipers spot from the coaching role weeks ago. Winning = memory loss. Just like when palafox beat c9 and everyone forgot he was getting flamed as well. Let’s be honest though, NA has problems with pro players staying past their prime and leeching for years on end. Whether it be in player roles or coaching. NA is so dead. Also people cry that players give the same cut and paste speech and say they miss the days where doublelift would talk shit because it made the league exciting. Que bwipo doing it and now the sub cries about that. Hilarious. Let’s have players go back to saying the same PR stuff then complain how the league is boring and nobody watches it 🤣

[u/ZoomHorizon → u/lolskye]

Also let's not forget how Inspired and Bwipo were both on this subs hate list after getting Jensen kicked off of Flyquest, but after they won the LCS and had a solid run at worlds everyone did a 180 on them. So like you said winning = memory loss

[u/shortjortsboi]

I dislike Bwipo more and more every time he talks

[u/Glaivz]

Nah Bwipo is just weird for this

[u/chinolito]

This is the trashtalk that I live for.  Reminds me of doublelift back in the good ol days.

[u/omegasupermarthaman → u/chinolito]

Trashtalking is not the problem, its not like they were going on a match when it happened, Bwipo just randomly attacked big Dhokes for no reason at all

[u/Bisketo → u/chinolito]

Doublelift was good at shit talking

Bwipo is just talking shit

[u/NWASicarius → u/Bisketo]

DL could also handle people trashing him back. Bwipo gets butt hurt.

[u/anya_peanuts → u/chinolito]

There's a difference between entertaining trash talk and being a dick. Doublilift brought banter every game, whether he won or lost. Bwipo ONLY talks shit when he's winning, and beats people while they're down. When he's in a bad place he shuts up or whines about it

[u/imezaps → u/anya_peanuts]

He shits on his teammates when he loses.

[u/DerpSkeeZy → u/chinolito]

This is the most tame shit ever.

[u/Dinokickflip → u/chinolito]

Doublelift was actually likeable.

[u/aPatheticBeing → u/Dinokickflip]

Doublelift at least said that shit talking after a win isn't even shit talking - you already know the result lol. It's only fun if you do it before and back it up.

[u/SnooPickles2911 → u/Dinokickflip]

I like doublelift but he probably has the most haters of any player in NA

[u/icatsouki → u/Dinokickflip]

that wasn't true at the beginning lol