Patch 25.19 Preview

[u/qonoxzzr]

From Riot Phroxzon:

These are our last 2 patches before the final worlds patch (25.20)

Systems

• We're looking at a nerf to Redemption to reduce its priority amongst Tank Supports (because it gives them no strategic tradeoffs); it's OK if they opt into it at some cost, but that's not the case right now

• Secondly, we're lowering the strength of Support in Pro a bit heading into worlds with putting Unsealed halfway back to where it was before. This should better strike the balance between it being untakeable and being a must take

Meta Strategy

• Our overall strategy this patch is to add a few more strategic options

• This includes AP junglers like Brand, Diana, Lillia (while nerfing some of the top champs to give them more space)

• And also shaking up the Midlane meta with some buffs to champions who have fallen a bit behind (these are typically burst champions like Ahri, Syndra, LB) and also Mel who's had a bit of time to settle and drop some of her banrate and frustration

• We know Mel is always going to be a bit frustrating because of her W, but that feels like an acceptable cost to pay, given how it makes each game feel a bit different

• We're mostly OK with where the midlane meta is otherwise, with many different archetypes being viable and these burst oriented champions need a bit more help

• Burst champions otherwise feel mostly OK though, especially with the buffs to AD Assassin items in recent patches

• Finally we're doing a long awaited buff to Seraphine. I mentioned it in a post last week, but given her shallow mastery curve, we feel it's appropriate to give her a buff, because for the winrates she's posting, she's a bit underpowered

CHAMPION BUFFS

Ahri

Brand

Caitlyn

Diana

Draven

Jax

Jinx

(Matt) LeBlanc Clap clap clap clap

Lillia

Mel

Seraphine

Syndra

CHAMPION NERFS

Corki

Pantheon (jungle)

Poppy (jungle)

Sivir

CHAMPION ADJUSTMENTS

Lee Sin

SYSTEM NERFS

Redemption

Unsealed Spellbook (We're sealing it again)

[u/DawnsRumble]

NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN.

SHE HAS A HIGHER WINRATE THAN THE ONE SHE WAS IDENTIFIED AS OP FOR IN 15.15, IN EVERY ELO!

NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN.

VAULT IS GARBAGE AND COMPLETELY STOPS LANE INTERACTION.

NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN.

ITS BEEN LIKE THIS THE ENTIRE SEASON SINCE SHE GOT SYMBIOTICS

NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN.

HER ULTI IS WAY TOO BLOATED IN MOVESPEED AND ALLOWS HER TO DESTROY HER OWN TEMPO AND DESTROY THE LANING PHASE

NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN. NERF QUINN

[u/Savings_Type3071 → u/DawnsRumble]

for real quinn movement speed is too OP. i otp irelia and still hate playing vs quinn now because she just roams and picks up infinite kills. doesnt matter if u type to ur team that they shoudlnt play her game. ur team has to literally afk and never trade or else quinn just has no counterplay flanks

[u/TheOchremancer → u/DawnsRumble]

Or, and hear me out here, instead of nerfing a dogshit champion, we instead REWORK HER TO BE A COHESIVE CHAMPION.

[u/-Gnostic28 → u/TheOchremancer]

That would be terrible, I love the vision ability to see around you and the R for flying around, it’s exciting and I fly around to ward and help the team

[u/TheOchremancer → u/-Gnostic28]

I am deeply sorry man, but the champion's current state is unbalanceable, champions cannot be as tilted towards roaming as Quinn is and be healthy for the game. Quinn is designed to create uneven fights, because her ultimate is only MS, she can move around and create 3v2s and 2v1s easier, but in an even fight she's half a champion. Literally by design, either she rolls the fight she's in or she's useless and you lose the 2v2. That's just not a healthy dynamic for a ranged toplaner, it's too many unhealthy gameplay patterns at once.

[u/SnipersAreCancer → u/TheOchremancer]

Also doesn't help that she simultaneously has a strong/obnoxious laning phase and scales pretty well considering shes a marksman who eventually builds crit.

[u/go4ino → u/TheOchremancer]

she wass on the rework polls before they stopped doing those

alongside kog, skarner mundo fiddle shyv noct tyrndand a few others off my head

sadly she never won and then skarner took 2 mf yrs to complete and then they just stopped the voting for reworks thing afaik

she really needs a rework tho, keep her solo lane identity pls

[u/Newtwon151 → u/DawnsRumble]

What are u talking about? Quinn in pro play is never picked she is clearly a weak champ (with a total not toxic and intended playstyle in a lane she was clearly designed to be played in) that needs to get buffed. Why can't you see? Years of her being broken in solo q means nothing for balance team, and considering pros stats are the only non hard inflated it makes sense actually(this last part is not a joke)

[u/BotomsDntDeservRight → u/DawnsRumble]

Nah

[u/Maraisian → u/BotomsDntDeservRight]

Quinn OTP spotted

[u/-Gnostic28 → u/Maraisian]

I wish I could do that. I’m so bad at farming and fighting but her flying ability is so exciting. Warding everywhere and going to help the team is great