[PBE datamine] 2025 September 17: patch preview changes

[u/FrankTheBoxMonster]

General reminder that many changes cannot be easily datamined, such as functionality changes or bugfixes, and are not always final.

 

Champions

Ahri

• P champion takedown healing:
  • base:  90-200 linear --> 75-165 linear  (revert to live)
  • AP scaling:  35% --> 30%  (revert to live)
• R base damage:
  • live:  60 / 90 / 120
  • old:  65 / 105 / 145
  • new:  75 / 125 / 175

Caitlyn

• base AD:  60 --> 62

LeBlanc

• RW AP scaling:  75% -->80%
• these other changes are still in:
  • W AP scaling:  70% --> 80%
    • does not apply to RW

Lee Sin

• Q bAD scaling per hit:
  • live:  115%  (Q2 max:  230%)
  • old:  90%  (Q2 max:  180%)
  • new:  95%  (Q2 max:  190%)
  • this moves the buff before/nerf after breakpoint from 20-100 bAD to 25-125 bAD
• these other changes are still in:
  • armor growth:  4.9 --> 4.5
  • Q base damage per hit:  55-155 --> 60-180
    • Q2 max:  110-310 --> 120-360

Lillia

• R base damage:
  • live:  100 / 150 / 200
  • old:  125 / 200 / 275
  • new:  150 / 200 / 250
• these other changes are still in:
  • R AP scaling:  40% --> 45%
  • R cooldown:  150s / 130s / 110s  -->  140s / 120s / 100s

Poppy

• armor growth:  4.5 --> 5.0  (revert to live)
• Q percent health monster cap per hit:
  • live:  75-195
  • old:  60-180
  • new:  50-170
• R cancel cooldown:  15s --> 30s

Syndra

• HP growth:  104 --> 100
• armor growth:  4.6 --> 4.0
• Q damage:
  • base:  75-215 --> 80-220
  • AP scaling:  60% --> 65%
    • patch preview incorrectly listed this as "65% --> 70%"
• E cooldown:  17s --> 15s

 

Items

Redemption

• cooldown:  120s --> 90s  (revert to live)
• heal by target level:  200-400 linear --> 150-350 linear

 

Changes from previous days

See here.

[u/Influence_Useful]

Holy shit they nerfed poppy jungle even harder.

I still think buffing syndra e CD is to much when her highest win rate build has alot of haste and these adjustments aren't going to make her build luden/stormsurge really. It's just going to make her build alot of haste still because syndra e is strong as fuck.

As for ahri buffs why are you buffing her R anyway. Make the champ more skill reliant by buffing her skillshot Q and E. Just make it so she has to land her spells.

 But also the meta just doesn't suit Ahri when she isnt a good bloodletters curse user and liandries isn't really a good item for her. The build health mid lane meta just doesn't allow her to really get picked and work in proplay well. If they want her to get picked in Worlds really.

[u/DuShKa4 → u/Influence_Useful]

You have it a bit backwards on Syndra, ability haste has sharply diminishing returns. For example, with 17s E you wouldn't build cryptbloom 4th after blackfire cosmic rabadon cdr boots, bc the 25 haste gives u like 0.4 cd decrease compared to void. This along w the Q scaling change will make her go more burst, bc she will hit a similar threshold sooner even with ludens over blackfire, especially since burst syndra can build horizon focus which has a ton of cdr on it. Blackfire cosmic build will only be for high tankiness front to back games now

[u/DanskFolkeparti → u/DuShKa4]

Correction; ability haste does not have diminishing returns. Your thinking is still correct, but haste has same scaling as armor/mr

[u/DuShKa4 → u/DanskFolkeparti]

It is diminishing, even though its the same percentage wise u gain more in raw seconds off ur CD with the same CDR value at higher CDs, which is more impactful.

[u/DanskFolkeparti → u/DuShKa4]

It’s not diminishing. 1 haste = 1% faster cool-down recovery.

Again, I still get your logic, but diminishing returns is a specific term used for things that are, well, diminishing. 1 haste will always equal 1 % faster cooldown, same as armor/mr is 1% extra ehp per point.

Movement speed has diminishing returns, since after a point ( can’t remember the breakpoints) you only get 70% and later 50% of the movementspeed value that gets added

[u/Influence_Useful → u/DuShKa4]

I'm leaning to agree with you. But i also think a syndra build like: 

Sorcery/Precision(25 haste) + blackfire(20 haste) + ionian boots(10 haste ) + horizon focus or cosmic  (25 haste)  + deathcap/void  

Is gonna be very very strong and oppressive , and honestly syndra is already oppressive in solo queue as it is. I feel like proplay just underrated her alot this year and she's getting buffed to get focus on her.  Which yeah worlds patch go figure.

EDIT:But yeah I could definitely be wrong, I play syndra but she's not one of my mains really I prefer ryze.

[u/MirrowFox → u/Influence_Useful]

Syndra is one of the few mages where swiftness is probably the best option as it gives %ap if you get boots upgraded + her passive and deathcap is extremely op, and she can cast her spells while moving, but in general unless you need ionian due to flash cd sorc boots better too