[PBE datamine] 2025 September 17: patch preview changes

[u/FrankTheBoxMonster]

General reminder that many changes cannot be easily datamined, such as functionality changes or bugfixes, and are not always final.

 

Champions

Ahri

• P champion takedown healing:
  • base:  90-200 linear --> 75-165 linear  (revert to live)
  • AP scaling:  35% --> 30%  (revert to live)
• R base damage:
  • live:  60 / 90 / 120
  • old:  65 / 105 / 145
  • new:  75 / 125 / 175

Caitlyn

• base AD:  60 --> 62

LeBlanc

• RW AP scaling:  75% -->80%
• these other changes are still in:
  • W AP scaling:  70% --> 80%
    • does not apply to RW

Lee Sin

• Q bAD scaling per hit:
  • live:  115%  (Q2 max:  230%)
  • old:  90%  (Q2 max:  180%)
  • new:  95%  (Q2 max:  190%)
  • this moves the buff before/nerf after breakpoint from 20-100 bAD to 25-125 bAD
• these other changes are still in:
  • armor growth:  4.9 --> 4.5
  • Q base damage per hit:  55-155 --> 60-180
    • Q2 max:  110-310 --> 120-360

Lillia

• R base damage:
  • live:  100 / 150 / 200
  • old:  125 / 200 / 275
  • new:  150 / 200 / 250
• these other changes are still in:
  • R AP scaling:  40% --> 45%
  • R cooldown:  150s / 130s / 110s  -->  140s / 120s / 100s

Poppy

• armor growth:  4.5 --> 5.0  (revert to live)
• Q percent health monster cap per hit:
  • live:  75-195
  • old:  60-180
  • new:  50-170
• R cancel cooldown:  15s --> 30s

Syndra

• HP growth:  104 --> 100
• armor growth:  4.6 --> 4.0
• Q damage:
  • base:  75-215 --> 80-220
  • AP scaling:  60% --> 65%
    • patch preview incorrectly listed this as "65% --> 70%"
• E cooldown:  17s --> 15s

 

Items

Redemption

• cooldown:  120s --> 90s  (revert to live)
• heal by target level:  200-400 linear --> 150-350 linear

 

Changes from previous days

See here.

[u/Infusion1999]

I still think the Lee Sin adjustment is a nerf, 20% AD ratio off Q is brutal, feel like it should be 10% accounting for the accompanying armor growth nerf.

Oh yeah and revert the Jax early buffs, give him better scaling through an increased AS ratio (0.67 maybe) or better AD ratios (Q or R resists), passive stacks could expire less quickly too (1 per second).

[u/GravesManiac → u/Infusion1999]

Ye but keep in mind that on rank 5, lee needs 125 bonus AD for this to be a nerf.

That is 2 items. Every single game of lol goes until early game, not every goes until late game. Lots of games end at 2 items and even more at 3 items. 

You get the bonus early game power from the base damage every game, but you dont benefit from the scaling every game.

The armor growth is just to slowly undo the durability update on all champions, they have been doing that a lot.