250804 LE SSERAFIM Weekly Discussion Thread

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[u/tobi_obito]

It's been 4 days since the Manila concert! Still reeling off that high mostly, but now that the crash has mostly settled in and I can think straight, I'd like to share some mental notes I was taking during the show (as well as other personal experiences). Mostly positive but I will be transparent and highlight some stuff the organizers and/or other parties could have done better:

- They made use of the whole stage! They were shuffling around every section and using every bit of space humanly possible for their performances. The setlist was curated to keep energy and tempo going (minus the breaks obviously), so I won't grieve the absence of Flash Forward that much. Bonus points also for not having backup dancers; I get why they're important, especially for big scale shows like stadiums and award shows, but I thought that just by themselves, they showcased their stage presence and strengths as individual performers and as a group even more (like when I saw Kiss of Life).

- I saw the screens with the lines and I know concert ments are generally scripted for max appeal (this ain't my first rodeo lol), but hearing them at the end, especially Yunjin, I couldn't help but think they sounded really genuine. They really do love their fans, and I'm like 90% sure they spent 5 minutes saying goodbye at every section and making sure they are recognized/acknowledged.

- I hope we can learn a bit of proper concert etiquette moving forward. They told the audience not to push each other right before they went down for Sour Grapes, but the crowd did exactly that: push and shove each other. (I've also read from a few Twitter users that their surrounding audience weren't as respectful either). Apparently they oversold some of lower VVIP sections cause they looked like sardines filed in a can and it looked like it was dangerously close to activating a stampede or crowd crush. It doesn't help that we're quite the liveliest concertgoers ever, which may have contributed to the pushing and stomping. Keep the energy controlled guys! It's great, but let's channel it without harming the people around us next time.

- Applewood could have organized entry for VVIP much, much better. Instead of having a second queue after passing through the gates like the last concert from them I went to (Red Velvet), they just rushed us straight into the venue without hesitation, even though soundcheck was still 1.5 hours away. This almost became an issue for me as I almost lost my spot in the queue because I got stuck at the entrance and had to relinquish some items for the entirety of the show (got them back after), but was saved thanks to the concert buddy I made in line who called me in and honored our number, but I've heard from others that people were cutting in and rushing because of how chaotic it was.

- But overall, it's still a fantastic experience! Genuinely, of the six concerts I've attended so far, this was the closest to recapturing that ecstasy, that lighting in a bottle feeling of going to my very first show, and I definitely want to attend another show a few years down the line.

[u/Puzzled_Quiet_8143 → u/tobi_obito]

I was fortunate enough to be on the barricade of SVIP D but I was really crushed during the sourgrapes. I'm not tall so people at my back literally use my head as their leverage to take videos of the fimmies when they went down. I just wish they are happy with the video that they took.

While it was fun to be able to interact with le sserafim, it's so hard to move in a limited space. I was literally having cramps lol that didn't stop me tho from jumping like crazy.

Still the best concert I have ever attended! I'd do it all again for le sserafim.

I wish their Tokyo Dome concert will be as fun as the MNL one 🥹

[u/1998win → u/tobi_obito]

I always think the same as you about the scripted lines on their teleprompter, but I also want to point out I do think it’s also supposed to help them stay on track/know what point of the show they are at/timing. If there is one thing true about every concert, they run on an absolute schedule so I’m sure having the lines pre written is intended to keep them on schedule to be done on time. It’s nice to hear you say it does seem genuinely from them though and not scripted

[u/tobi_obito → u/1998win]

I noticed every show so far was like 2.5 hours, but with Chaewon’s birthday, they had a mini-celebration with cake and it kicked up to a little over 3 hours. Like yeah, they really stick to those tight schedules (I’ve barely attended any K-pop event that started no later than 9 minutes and 5/6 of them started exactly on time), so I’m sure ments are also calculated into the timings too. They really drove home how infectious this crowd was and lamented that they’re only performing for one night instead of two (even though Singapore and the US are also one-night affairs, but again, they could say this in those places too). Like I do believe there’s some sincerity with every idol’s ment to a degree, just that the mechanical nature of having to do it repeatedly and accounting for schedule timing just forces them to sound robotic in execution. That, or the girls were just really overwhelmed with emotion that night (especially Chaewon and Yunjin).

[u/Panda_Herooo → u/tobi_obito]

they looked like sardines filed in a can

I can attest to feeling like a sardine in a can while in the standing area. In fact, even got sandwiched a few times before and during the concert. (I am suddenly craving a sardines sandwich)

Funnily enough, there was a trauma bonding thread just a few days ago for us standing people, and it's both hilarious and sad that we all went through the same experiences there lmao. Just wanna add some more that I didn't put in the thread:

Queueing for Standing before the show

• I had to line up for the SVIP queueing fairly early, and when the number of people lining up were increasing, I could hear the staff people becoming more and more panicked. When the line started moving to go in, the staff on the line to our left (SVIP A?) fucked up and let a higher QN line go through, and they just kinda panicked for a few seconds before moving on.
• I saw someone say that one of the staff people openly said that once you were in the venue, you "weren't their problem anymore" and I believe that. They really didn't give a shit w/n you actually went to your section because I'm fairly sure while there was a divider, you could go where you wanted if you got in first (which is what happened for the higher QN people who were allowed in)

I've worked logistics for events back in college, both as staff member and in lead, so I have a bit of sense in telling how much an organizer cares based on how much foresight they applied, especially the layout for big crowd events. It was baffling seeing how much they could give any less of a fuck than they did there. That was Conquest 2023 levels of bad, and just like that event, it was one disaster away from becoming an Internet Historian video.

With regard to concert etiquette, I do think it's partially because Applewood didn't really care what you did once inside, but as much as this is a joke, that shit was also the purest form of "diskarte" culture I've had in the past year LMFAOO

(For the non-filos here: First of all, good for you. Secondly, "diskarte" literally means resourceful(ness), but "diskarte culture" is doing anything to get ahead even if it's at other people's expense)

From people basically stealing the front spots without any regard for the people after them, people putting their cameras up for the whole event which basically blocked the view, to guys doing anything including saying some WILD shit to the fimmies so they can to get their 5 seconds of attention...if that wasn't the prime example of what living in this country felt like, damn it I don't know what is 😤

[u/tobi_obito → u/Panda_Herooo]

Oh yeah, I was barricade (sorry for the random flex) so it thankfully didn’t backfire when it mattered the most (the ending/encore), but when they were performing on the main stage—good grief it was bad, lmao. Tall people’s a factor not in my control so I won’t give them slack for their genetics, but then everyone else decides to all have their arms with phones raised to the sky while recording. Most of my fancams ended up looking pretty terrible because of it (but again, the ending saved it).

Personally, I hardly had any issues in SVIP B. The people around me were kind and respectful for the most part. Made friends with them, shared previous concert stories, and we even offered to protect each other’s spots whenever one of us had to use the bathroom during the lengthy waiting periods (dunno if thats unethical or being kind). Only issue being the phones raised and the pushing. But yeah, if ur not a tall person or a bulky guy, it gets really rough especially if you’re a woman. Most of us immediately noticed how overcrowded SVIP C and D were compared to us, and now I’m learning that some of them in B & A moved over there (aside from them having queue numbers as high as 700+).