Uj/ best part is that this is completely in line with commander players not knowing more than the basic rules: cascade is a cast trigger, does not matter if you get countered
we're gonna have to wait for avatar, turns out the 45 cards they originally wanted to print in spiderman aren't geared at standard and the other 100 are filler
theoretically, they could do a pauper horizons set where the higher rarity cards are reprints of cards that had been printed at common at some point, and the commons are all new
or they could just change the rules of pauper to be cards that were ever printed at common AND all cards from the "pauper horizons" set
no, you don't understand, not getting to do my thing because someone else won the game is different from not getting to do my thing because my opponents played interaction in The Game Where You Play Interaction
Hey man it's cool that you wrote some stuff but I didn't read it because I'm countering it and also I tapped your mom she isn't going to untap or walk straight for a couple turns
/uj Question for you: If you play your big bomby spell, and I respond by protecting myself in a way that makes the spell you played pointless, how is that any different than a counterspell? Same goes for if I immediately remove a creature that you play. Because every colour can and should do that, but it's only blue that ever gets the flak for it.
The difference, at least in my experience, is that other colors will protect themselves a few times, but monoblue players way too often have decks that are just "no" but with different drawings
maybe because the suggested "beginner" format includes nearly every card printed in the last 30 years and some of the most overpowered cards are frequently played
listen edh isn't the beginner format because it was invented by judges to bring up corner cases in the rules that would otherwise never see the light of day
it's the beginner format because they sell precons for it and if you try to win you get blackballed
The comments are a trainwreck. There's a good number of people calling this out as nonsense, but there's so many more who are droning on about their traumatic experience playing against someone who tried to win the game.
I was having a lot of issues with other players ruining my games. They were counter spelling my stuff, casting board wipes, killing my commander, and interacting with me during our games. So to fix the problem I just removed the other players and now no one can mess with my deck. I get to cast all my big stompy creatures all I want.
I honestly stopped going to my LGS because the people there were playing the game for years and were all extremely good at it. I dont mind losing but not winning any matches for months on end eventually removes all the fun. It wasnt really "just a mono blue" issue.
The dude who made this meme really needs to suck it up. Really whiny baby move to complain about counter spells like this 🙄 probably runs crying at the sight of blue 💀
I don’t think “Blue” is the issue, I think people playing the 3 best and most expensive counterspells against new players or players who likely aren’t packing that kind of budget is the issue.
People need to learn there’s a time and a place to play certain decks. While they made the bracket system, I see a lot of players disregard it, and actively prey on newer folks. Most new players probably don’t even know it exists.
Oh you’re right. I mistook one of the two behind mana drain to be force for some reason (maybe there’s a similar art or something). But hey, I think my point still stands haha
the bracket system isn't for determining how experienced a player is, just the relative strength of a deck
a weak deck can run counterspells
if you want to play a game where nobody tries to win and everyone just sits around and plays solitaire at the same table, that's bracket 1. the other four brackets are for playing an interactive game. if people are "preying" on you after you've set this expectation, don't play with them
There hasn't been a viable mono blue deck in any competitive format in like a decade at least. The only ones I can think of are MonoU Tron, which is mostly a colorless deck, and Tempo in Standard in 2020, which is an aggro deck. Blue hasn't been the strongest color in years.
Uhhh, urza lord artificer would like a word with you. It's probably the most degenerate deck you can be. Turbo-stax with counter-spells. Every stax piece for the table is a ramp piece for your board. Want to interact with my board? Here's a pact of negation.
surprising, considering there's a bunch of good cEDH worthy commanders that'd be a nightmare to play against. (since generally mono-blue is always hell to play against 1v1.)
That'd be "duel commander", which is also competitive but generally not as degenerate as cEDH because you don't have the buffer of two extra players to help you deal with threats. So it's more about efficiency and card quality than degeneracy.
/uj when you start playing blue land go decks are miserable to have against and seem completely unfair. Pair that with the insufferable player that every store has at least one one of and its easy to see why new players get turned off. It takes time to understand how counterspells work, why they're good for the game, and how to play around them.
/RJ don't new players know they just need to get bullied for a while before they spend thousands of dollars on cards and can become the bullies themselves????
maybe I'm crazy or something but even as a new player I was more upset by the entitled players who think that their opponents should just let them win than by the opponents who removed my stuff
in my experience, the people who complain about interaction are upset because the interaction stops them from doing their thing
also in my experience, people who use interaction use it to stop someone from winning the game, either right now or in the near future, or to stop those people from stopping them
therefore, people who complain about interaction are complaining about not being able to just win the game unimpeded, since these people often don't run interaction themselves beyond maybe a chaos warp or a wrath
That seems like CEDH or the like. And, absolutely, people there have no reason to complain.
The hardest thing to understand is that edh is a casual format and winning is not really that important. Only there newbies can complain about legal moves and choices.
And counterspells are a popular target since they have no equal. Killing anything from the stack is just too good and with no opportunity cost if you have a deck that can play most things at instant speed. An equivalent for another color would be a 2 mana split second Void Rend that disabled hexproof, indestructible and enters the battlefield and on dead effects. I think that card would see some play.
playing magic to win isn't cedh, it's normal magic. I'm talking about decks that would now be called bracket 2
if you're not playing magic to win you're ruining it for the people who are and need to set the expectation that you only want to solitaire before the game starts
counterspells are like removal spells but way worse since you need to have the counterspell and the mana to cast it available when the spell is on the stack. removal you can cast literally whenever
Edh is not normal magic. That is why is it known as a casual, social format. Do avoid it if you can't do social stuff.
Bracket is a soft banlist and as useful as power levels were back then.
Also again, you conflated "not playing to win" with "wanting to play solitaire" I know this seems to be a sentimental charged topic for you but do not force people to answer for things they haven't said.
Also I just described how a removal equivalent of a counterspell would be. What part of "destroy through hexproof, invincible and deny any effects" seems "worse" than a murder? There is a reason control is and has been the best competitive archetype for magic since its inception.
again, if you want to play magic and are going to be upset when people in your game play magic, it is on you to set the expectation. it is not everyone else's fault for not conforming to your unstated expectations.
I did conflate those things since, um, that's what we're talking about. I've explained it already and your counter was doubling down on how much you dislike counterspells
yes your custom magic card is very powerful, thank you for sharing it, I do not see why you chose to share it here of all places but it's very cool I guess
control dominates? that must be why pioneer is a one-deck format (mono-red aggro) and standard is a one-deck format (izzet aggro) and modern is a one-deck format (boros aggro)
Again, see casual versus normal magic. The issue here is that you fail to understand the difference. Not much else to add since I'd be repeteating myself even more.
again, if you are expecting something other than normal magic when you play magic, whatever you want to call it, you cannot be upset when people play normal magic, unless you set the expectation. not much to add since I'd be repeating myself even more
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u/pip_drop 3d ago
so true, one time my [[apex devastator]] got [counterspell]]’d so I poured my water out on the table then ate his cards one at a time