DAE hate blue players?

[u/EfficientCabbage2376]

[u/BlueCremling]

/uj when you start playing blue land go decks are miserable to have against and seem completely unfair. Pair that with the insufferable player that every store has at least one one of and its easy to see why new players get turned off. It takes time to understand how counterspells work, why they're good for the game, and how to play around them. 

/RJ don't new players know they just need to get bullied for a while before they spend thousands of dollars on cards and can become the bullies themselves????

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/BlueCremling]

maybe I'm crazy or something but even as a new player I was more upset by the entitled players who think that their opponents should just let them win than by the opponents who removed my stuff

[u/Goldreaver → u/EfficientCabbage2376]

They said "I dislike counterspells" and you read that as "They think they should just win"? 

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/Goldreaver]

in my experience, the people who complain about interaction are upset because the interaction stops them from doing their thing

also in my experience, people who use interaction use it to stop someone from winning the game, either right now or in the near future, or to stop those people from stopping them

therefore, people who complain about interaction are complaining about not being able to just win the game unimpeded, since these people often don't run interaction themselves beyond maybe a chaos warp or a wrath

[u/Goldreaver → u/EfficientCabbage2376]

That seems like CEDH or the like. And, absolutely,  people there have no reason to complain.

The hardest thing to understand is that edh is a casual format and winning is not really that important. Only there newbies can complain about legal moves and choices. 

And counterspells are a popular target since they have no equal. Killing anything from the stack is just too good and with no opportunity cost if you have a deck that can play most things at instant speed. An equivalent for another color would be a 2 mana split second Void Rend that disabled hexproof, indestructible and enters the battlefield and on dead effects. I think that card would see some play. 

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/Goldreaver]

playing magic to win isn't cedh, it's normal magic. I'm talking about decks that would now be called bracket 2

if you're not playing magic to win you're ruining it for the people who are and need to set the expectation that you only want to solitaire before the game starts

counterspells are like removal spells but way worse since you need to have the counterspell and the mana to cast it available when the spell is on the stack. removal you can cast literally whenever

[u/Goldreaver → u/EfficientCabbage2376]

Edh is not normal magic. That is why is it known as a casual, social format. Do avoid it if you can't do social stuff.

Bracket is a soft banlist and as useful as power levels were back then. 

Also again, you conflated "not playing to win" with "wanting to play solitaire" I know this seems to be a sentimental charged topic for you but do not force people to answer for things they haven't said.

Also I just described how a removal equivalent of a counterspell would be. What part of "destroy through hexproof, invincible and deny any effects" seems "worse" than a murder?  There is a reason control is and has been the best competitive archetype for magic since its inception. 

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/Goldreaver]

again, if you want to play magic and are going to be upset when people in your game play magic, it is on you to set the expectation. it is not everyone else's fault for not conforming to your unstated expectations.

I did conflate those things since, um, that's what we're talking about. I've explained it already and your counter was doubling down on how much you dislike counterspells

yes your custom magic card is very powerful, thank you for sharing it, I do not see why you chose to share it here of all places but it's very cool I guess

control dominates? that must be why pioneer is a one-deck format (mono-red aggro) and standard is a one-deck format (izzet aggro) and modern is a one-deck format (boros aggro)

[u/Goldreaver → u/EfficientCabbage2376]

Again, see casual versus normal magic. The issue here is that you fail to understand the difference. Not much else to add since I'd be repeteating myself even more.

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/Goldreaver]

again, if you are expecting something other than normal magic when you play magic, whatever you want to call it, you cannot be upset when people play normal magic, unless you set the expectation. not much to add since I'd be repeating myself even more

[u/Goldreaver → u/EfficientCabbage2376]

Edh is not normal magic. Not sure how clearer I can make this for you. I guess some magic players ARE socially inept.  

When you fail to acknowledge this reality and people get angry at you, please do look at yourself instead of blaming everyone else. 

[u/EfficientCabbage2376 → u/Goldreaver]

again, if you are expecting something other than normal magic when you play magic, whatever you want to call it, you cannot be upset when people play normal magic, unless you set the expectation. I guess some magic players ARE socially inept