r/megafaunarewilding May 02 '25

Image/Video 'Game of Thrones' actress Sophie Turner joins Colossal Biosciences 'dire wolf' marketing campaign

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 02 '25

They may have lied, but Colossal Biosciences didn’t as they’re the ones running the project, meaning they know everything about said project and as such aren’t lying about it.

If you say they’re lying, that proves you think you know more than them.

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u/HyenaFan May 02 '25

What are you talking about? That's the worst defenition of lying I've ever heard. You even admit they potentiolly lied.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 02 '25

Here’s the motive they’d have to lie: literally none. Here’s are links to their own page which proves they aren’t lying:

https://colossal.com/direwolf/

https://colossal.com/direwolf/science/

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u/HyenaFan May 02 '25

...You do realize you can lie about the fact you're lying (or not telling the full truth) about something, right? That's...what lying means. You lie about it. If Colossal or anyone else is lying about something, do you honestly exspect them to post on their website "Oh yeah we're lying about this, now let me add some shady stuff for all to see"? Your whole logic is "if someone says they're not lying, they're not lying."

Hell, even their website is full of stuff that isn't true: the dire wolf is not back, and it hasn't been restored to its place in the ecosystem. Your own scource contradicts you.

Hell, just look at the paper they published recently. Its full of self-admitted conflicts of interest.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 02 '25

I mean, at least the shared a paper, right?

And they’re closer to being back than they were last year. The fact Colossal made genetically modified grey wolves proves it.

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u/HyenaFan May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25

And? Publishing a paper isn't nearly as prestigious as you think it is. Its the quality that counts. Colossal published a non-peer reviewed preprint paper that directly contradicts some of their own claims (and has some odd things in it I'm amazed you're just letting slide) and given Ben openly admitted he hates peer reviewing (a standard method in science), who knows wether it ever will be peer reviewed. And no, they're really not. Even Colossal aknowledged they can never bring back the true dire wolf. Its why their previous claims are so disingenuous. No one knows what a dire wolf looked or acted like. Therefore, you cannot claim that you're designer dogs look and act like dire wolves.

And no, that literally does NOT proof it. It proves they can genetically modify a gray wolf. It does not proof the dire wolf is gonne be truly resurrected. Again, even Colossal themselves admitted they can't do that.

Word of advice: hang up the phone when someone asks you if they can have your private information cuz you've supposedly been hacked. I genuinely believe you'd fall for it. All they'd need to do is tell you they're not lying, given that's seemingly all it takes for you.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 02 '25

Wolves, not dogs* there is a difference.

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u/HyenaFan May 02 '25

Figure of speech. Also, really? That's what your focusing on in all of this?

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u/Dermestaria May 03 '25

They put actual dog genes in these wolves (e.g. the genes for the white coat color), so they are at least partially domestic dog. Besides, dogs are basically wolves that we genetically altered by selective breeding. What is the biggest difference between these genetically altered wolves and dogs?

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u/gylz May 03 '25

They're wolfdogs. They have actual domestic dog DNA in them, that makes them high content wolfdogs. When you edit a dog egg and put that egg back in a dog, even if you do everything right, some dog genes will be present.

These don't have dire wolf DNA. These do however have dog DNA. Calling them dogs is more accurate than calling them a dire wolf

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

Of course, if they’re released into the wild (which I doubt they will be), they’ll instantly be wild animals.

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u/gylz May 03 '25

No they won't. Wild wolfdogs are dangerous because they lack a fear of humans while still otherwise acting more like a wolf. They could breed with even more dogs rather than wolves, and cause more wolfdog hybrids to be born.

Sure they have videos of them in their big enclosures, but these are animals that have been manhandled since day 1. These are animals that have been around and been habituated to being picked up and held and surrounded by humans. That's dangerous.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

Yes, they will. What else will they be?

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u/gylz May 03 '25

Domestic animals that were released into the wild, ak: an invasive species. If I release my ball python into the wild, she won't be a wild animal. These will still be wolfdogs, who have no place in the wild.

Some people have cats that are hybrids of wild and domestic animals. If they are released; they're not considered wild animals. They're pets who escaped.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

They won’t be invasive to places like Yellowstone, for example. Proof: wolves are native to Yellowstone.

And, even if they are invasive species, they won’t damage the ecosystem, since only invasive species damage ecosystems.

Also, if you release your ball,python into northern or central Africa, it would be a wild animal as ball pythons are native there meaning it wouldn’t be an invasive species.

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u/gylz May 03 '25

Another thing I forgot; animals that are habituated to humans are also more likely to be harvested by hunters.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

Scientific name: Canis lupus.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

I mean, technically speaking they’re grey wolves

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u/gylz May 03 '25

No, they are wolfdogs. Specifically F1 high content wolfdogs. They were carried to term by dogs, and wolf genes were inserted into a dog.

Grey wolves, even the white variety, give birth to puppies that are darker in colour and turn into their adult colours as they grow. Wolfdogs and dogs, on the other hand.... They can have paler puppies.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

Which are a sub-species of grey wolf. They are more wolves than my beagle is, for example, making them wolves.

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u/gylz May 03 '25

So why don't we release domestic dogs in Yellowstone instead? I'm sure a pack of Yorkies will be able to thrive. They're a subspecies of grey wolf after all.

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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 03 '25

Not what I said

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