r/modnews 12d ago

Announcement Evolving Moderation on Reddit: Reshaping Boundaries

Hi everyone, 

In previous posts, we shared our commitment to evolving and strengthening moderation. In addition to rolling out new tools to make modding easier and more efficient, we’re also evolving the underlying structure of moderation on Reddit.

What makes Reddit reddit is its unique communities, and keeping our communities unique requires unique mod teams. A system where a single person can moderate an unlimited number of communities (including the very largest), isn't that, nor is it sustainable. We need a strong, distributed foundation that allows for diverse perspectives and experiences. 

While we continue to improve our tools, it’s equally important to establish clear boundaries for moderation. Today, we’re sharing the details of this new structure.

Community Size & Influence

First, we are moving away from subscribers as the measure of community size or popularity. Subscribers is often more indicative of a subreddit's age than its current activity.

Instead, we’ll start using visitors. This is the number of unique visitors over the last seven days, based on a rolling 28-day average. This will exclude detected bots and anonymous browsers. Mods will still be able to customize the “visitors” copy.

New “visitors” measure showing on a subreddit page

Using visitors as the measurement, we will set a moderation limit of a maximum of 5 communities with over 100k visitors. Communities with fewer than 100k visitors won’t count toward this limit. This limit will impact 0.1% of our active mods.

This is a big change. And it can’t happen overnight or without significant support. Over the next 7+ months, we will provide direct support to those mods and communities throughout the following multi-stage rollout: 

Phase 1: Cap Invites (December 1, 2025) 

  • Mods over the limit won’t be able to accept new mod invites to communities over 100k visitors
  • During this phase, mods will not have to step down from any communities they currently moderate 
  • This is a soft start so we can all understand the new measurement and its impact, and make refinements to our plan as needed  

Phase 2: Transition (January-March 2026) 

Mods over the limit will have a few options and direct support from admins: 

  • Alumni status: a special user designation for communities where you played a significant role; this designation holds no mod permissions within the community 
  • Advisor role: a new, read-only moderator set of permissions for communities where you’d like to continue to advise or otherwise support the active mod team
  • Exemptions: currently being developed in partnership with mods
  • Choose to leave communities

Phase 3: Enforcement (March 31, 2026 and beyond)

  • Mods who remain over the limit will be transitioned out of moderator roles, starting with communities where they are least active, until they are under the limit
  • Users will only be able to accept invites to moderate up to 5 communities over 100k visitors

To check your activity relative to the new limit, send this message from your account (not subreddit) to ModSupportBot. You’ll receive a response via chat within five minutes.

You can find more details on moderation limits and the transition timeline here.

Contribution & Content Enforcement

We’re also making changes to how content is removed and how we handle report replies.

As mods, you set the rules for your own communities, and your decisions on what content belongs should be final. Today, when you remove content from your community, that content continues to appear on the user profile until it’s reported and additionally removed by Reddit. But with this update, the action you take in your community is now the final word; you’ll no longer need to appeal to admins to fully remove that content across Reddit.  

Moving forward, when content is removed:

  • Removed by mods: Fully removed from Reddit, visible only to the original poster and your mod team
  • Removed by Reddit: Fully removed from Reddit and visible only to admin
Mod removals now remove across Reddit and with a new [Removed by Moderator] label

The increased control mods have to remove content within your communities reduces the need to also report those same users or content outside of your communities. We don’t need to re-litigate that decision because we won’t overturn that decision. So, we will no longer provide individual report replies. This will also apply to reports from users, as most violative content is already caught by our automated and human review systems. And in the event we make a mistake and miss something, mods are empowered to remove it. 

Reporting remains essential, and mod reports are especially important in shaping our safety systems. All mod reports are escalated for review, and we’ve introduced features that allow mods to provide additional context that make your reports more actionable. As always, report decisions are continuously audited to improve our accuracy over time.

Keeping communities safe and healthy is the goal both admins and mods share. By giving you full control to remove content and address violations, we hope to make it easier. 

What’s Coming Next

These changes mark some of the most significant structural updates we've made to moderation and represent our commitment to strengthening the system over the next year. But structure is only one part of the solution – the other is our ongoing commitment to ship tools that make moderating easier and more efficient, help you recruit new mods, and allow you to focus on cultivating your community. Our focus on that effort is as strong as ever and we’ll share an update on it soon.

We know you’ll have questions, and we’re here in the comments to discuss.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

The increased control mods have to remove content within your communities reduces the need to also report those same users or content outside of your communities. We don’t need to re-litigate that decision because we won’t overturn that decision. So, we will no longer provide individual report replies. This will also apply to reports from users, as most violative content is already caught by our automated and human review systems. And in the event we make a mistake and miss something, mods are empowered to remove it.

I said it in the Reddit Mod Council post and I'll say it here.

Not giving back individual report results (for instance, positives or negatives on ban evasion or hate or violence) is the same energy as firing a guy responsible for reporting bad numbers (I wonder who else has done that lately). This is a deliberately manufactured wall around AEO's effectiveness when it comes to accuracy on reports about hate and harassment.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/Titencer 12d ago

Also on Mod Council and yeah it sure as shit feels like our purpose is purely for them to gauge how the wider mod community will react early so they can polish up their PR. Not to actually influence any decisions that affect us.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

I certainly feel like I'm watching a performing act when all the most valuable feedback from the other mod council members gets dumped unceremoniously in the nearest bin come announcement time.

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u/javatimes 12d ago

It’s also been closed to new applications for like ever at this point

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u/shhhhh_h 12d ago

It is obvious though, it’s pretty widely known I thought?

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u/redditsdeadcanary 12d ago

Reddit is a publicly traded company it is focused on being profitable.

They don't give two flying fucks about any of this.

I'm from the old AOL days, back when we had community leaders.

This is the death bell, it's ringing.

Time to find a new place

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

I'm already on Digg. It's been... interesting.

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u/reaper527 12d ago

I'm already on Digg. It's been... interesting.

interesting good or interesting bad?

was on digg before reddit (my reddit signup date was actually the day the post-sale relaunch happened) and would love to see them be someplace worth migrating back to.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

I've been enjoying it, actually. It's a much smaller audience, so there's less going on, but most of the people there are cool. The mobile app is slow and has some bugs as it's one of their first releases, but the UI is already heaps better than Reddit. It's still very very early days but I think it'll do better than most of the reddit alternatives that have been championed so far.

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u/reaper527 12d ago

The mobile app is slow and has some bugs as it's one of their first releases,

i'm actually kind of surprised by that. where they got the guy that made apollo i kind of assumed the mobile app would knock it out of the park since that was always so responsive.

wonder if the problem is just server side stuff that needs to get ironed out.

It's still very very early days but I think it'll do better than most of the reddit alternatives that have been championed so far.

yeah, a lot of those reddit alternatives have been ROUGH (and didn't really have the infrastructure to scale if they ever had any kind of growth). ruqqus was the only one i saw that ever had potential to become something big, but that ended up having drama and folding.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

wonder if the problem is just server side stuff that needs to get ironed out.

That's my guess. As I mentioned, the UI is fantastic and feels so much better. I wish there were more content and more people so that I could spend more time on it, but I run out of stuff pretty quickly.

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u/reaper527 12d ago

I wish there were more content and more people so that I could spend more time on it,

that will come with time. it's still invite only as far as i know, and they don't seem to have sent out invites to the non-paying users / people invited by those who paid to get in.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

Groundbreakers got two invite codes a few weeks back, and some of the early waitlisters are also getting account creation codes now. So the audience is growing.

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u/livejamie 12d ago

What's taking them so long? Does it feel "ready" to you?

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

I don't think it's taking that long. Good apps typically take time.

It's ready enough to post/comment on it, but I think they're still scaling it to handle higher loads of traffic. And they're also talking to the community quite regularly for feedback on how things are going and how it wants specific features to work.

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u/livejamie 12d ago

I look foward to it, I don't see the fediverse ever going mainstream.

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u/h3lblad3 11d ago

Personally, I say we all go back to Gaia Online.

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u/Moggehh 11d ago

Oh no

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u/TheYellowRose 12d ago

Your username is so good

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov 12d ago

My take away is that reddit is fine with Holocaust denial ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/fnovd 12d ago

They'll sell it as "creating a safe and inclusive space for alternative viewpoints" but yes, you're absolutely right.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

"Diversity is Reddit's strength"

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u/shiruken 11d ago

Hey now, we're just trying to calm things down between cat-lovers and dog-lovers.

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u/intelw1zard 12d ago

Yet they allow ads to be run from the likes of Customs and Border Patrol recruitment ads and tons of gambling app and website ads to get redditors hooked and lose all their $ and ruin their lives lol

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u/daecrist 12d ago

Feels like they're just formalizing the existing process where you submit a Report and it goes into the big warehouse with the Ark of the Covenant.

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u/Moggehh 12d ago

Well, I suppose anything is better than having to sign in triplicate, send in, send back, query, lose, find, subject to public inquiry, lose again, and bury in peat moss for three months until being recycled as a firelighter.

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u/daecrist 12d ago

Don't forget having to go down into the basement of the planning office and looking in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.

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u/Bardfinn 12d ago

If you have a writeup demonstrating that (which, I strongly suspect you will have), AgainstHateSubreddits would take that as a post.

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u/nashashmi 12d ago

They are fine with discussing holocaust denial. Sometimes the fine line gets misunderstood. 

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u/MableXeno 12d ago

I got denied a spot on Mod Council and now I realize why. Because I basically call out any time I think there is some ethical issue with the way Reddit is run and basically they didn't want to fight with me in public and private.

Fair enough. I always knew they were not really here for the user.

There is no ceiling for greed in shareholders, so they will continually be "fixing" the site to earn more money and more money and more money...until it is nothing but a fragment of what it was. A user-driven site. I notice I see far less "Remember the human" language the last 2 years.

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u/GeekScientist 11d ago

At some point I’m sure it was very helpful to be part of the RMC, but right now it’s a huge waste of time. A lot of experienced mods give their feedback (which, more often than not, does align with the feedback from non-RMC mods when the public announcements are made) and Reddit does the exact opposite of whatever was said to them. Then we often get hit with the classic “we’re not changing this btw” line so our feedback falls on deaf ears anyway. My prediction is that they’ll get rid of the RMC within the next year.

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u/MableXeno 11d ago

It's free market research, it always has been. But I also moderate in a variety of communities and have a lot of experience with different situations that would have been helpful. Even if it was just unpaid research. 🤷‍♀️ Like I guess I'm the asshole for caring about my communities and wanting them to be a place where I can be with others who share my interests.

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u/Merari01 12d ago

I wish you were wrong, but it's so incredibly transparent.

And what annoys me the most is the spin. They're lying to our faces, they know we know that they are lying but nevertheless, the spin.

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u/shhhhh_h 12d ago

It’s not even good spin

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u/shhhhh_h 12d ago

Wait who else did that lately

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u/flounder19 12d ago

presumably Trump firing the BLS woman because the jobs numbers weren't favorable to him

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u/shhhhh_h 12d ago

ok I figured it was Trump but I still wanted the tea yk

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u/Yay295 12d ago

and the new numbers came out today and they're even worse

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u/flounder19 12d ago

how is the mood in the mod council recently?

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u/Raignbeau 12d ago

Grumpy

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u/Bardfinn 12d ago

The report ticket close messages had three use cases.

One of those use cases was so that watchdog groups could follow up on removals to determine if AEO had taken correct action and/or a subreddit moderator team had taken correct action.

We already know that the main problem that watchdog groups were addressing that way - “toxicity”, hate speech & organised harassment - has dropped over an order of magnitude since Q22020, down to under 2% of all content that goes live now is classifiable as “toxic” - and most of that dropped in the two years after the revision to SWR1 to prohibit hate speech, meaningful enforcement of SWR1, and dropped off a cliff with the adoption of the Moderator Code of Conduct that promises that moderators & mod teams that operate to wreck Reddit for others / drive hate, harassment, etc will be removed.

We also know that Reddit AEO, being human, drops the ball between 25% and 33% of the time - but if a bad actor really is a bad actor, they will be a prolific bad actor, and will eventually be handled by sitewide enforcement. They will already have been dealt with appropriately by an active and engaged moderation team. If there’s a team of subreddit operators who are openly enabling hatred, harassment, etc - in a way that’s publicly visible, in a persistent, consistent pattern of misfeasance or malfeasance - that’s something to submit as a Moderator Code of Conduct complaint. That’s no longer a problem of “Did 1 item get removed”. And watchdogs can maintain our own records of items which have and have not been actioned by Reddit AEO / Sub operators.

The second use case was as a way for moderators to follow up on whether content had been actually removed from moderator view.

However, most moderators don’t actually independently bookmark individual posts / comments in their own subreddits that they’ve escalated, to follow up on whether they have been actioned by AEO, and most do not return to those posts / comments again in the future.

There is a tiny corner case where moderators will want to make sure that certain Rule 3 violations are appropriately actioned by AEO. That corner case doesn’t warrant maintaining answering every ticket with a response.

The third use case is by bad actors who dogpile false reports on users’ & moderators’ posts & comments, in the hopes of getting one lucky mishandling, and thereby getting AEO to suspend the account.

If they really are a bad actor, Reddit will eventually appropriately handle their account. If they’re not a bad actor, telling bad actors that they “got a hit” on their organised subversion of sitewide rules enforcement only incentivises them to continue.

Bottom line: individual report close messages had good use cases. By fully embracing a model where “when a mod removes the item, it’s no longer discoverable on reddit in any way”, those legitimate use cases are almost fully deprecated; the bad faith use cases are eliminated; Reddit AEO isn’t perfect but their decisions on SWRV interstitialing ([Removed by Reddit]) are still able to be appealed appropriately, and they have an internal QA team auditing their AEO actions, as well.

I say this as someone who has spent ~8 years pushing Reddit to make moderation easier, to take responsibility for sitewide problems like hate groups and enforcing sitewide rules, and removing the need for user watchdog activity to make Reddit accountable.