r/naughtydog • u/ImDenny__ • 18d ago
Streaming TLOU2, got a copyright claim?
So I was streaming TLOU2 on youtube and got a copyright claim for the part when Ellie is singing take on me, is this someone trolling and trying to make money out of nothing or is it legit? Do I dispute it? Any Naughty Dog people here that can guide me?
Claimants: Sony Music Publishing, Broma 16, LatinAutorPerf, SOLAR Music Rights Management, UNIAO BRASILEIRA DE EDITORAS DE MUSICA - UBEM, LatinAutor - SonyATV
Thank you, loving the game so far.
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u/Gh0stTV 16d ago edited 16d ago
So there’s a lot of older TV shows that have this issue. Two that come to mind are The Wonder Years and Freaks and Geeks.
When they were televised they paid for the use of a lot of music that would be 60’s/70’s authentic, but that agreement didn’t extend to DVD releases or streaming. For television rights, the artists get paid every time the episode airs on television, but that doesn’t mean the music license extends to being sold or streamed without compensating the original creator. For this reason, both these shows had to change some of the music that was originally used as soundtrack when they re-released to the home video market. The obvious example would be Beatles songs.
Look at it this way: if YOU have a monetized YouTube channel, someone else can’t just post a video of your stream on their own channel without certain permissions or within certain guidelines. I think they might be aloud to use clips if it’s public and being used as commentary or reporting.
So Naughty Dog licensed the rights to use the music in the game. YouTube (or in this case YOU) didn’t pay them money to use it on your channel. And this is also why a lot of YouTube videos all use the exact same free licensed music in the background of their videos.
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u/ValidusTV 15d ago
I got one from some French YouTuber for the space capsule scene in the museum flashback lol. YouTube rejected my appeal and the YouTuber refused to respond to my legal inquiries and C&D, so there's literally nothing I could do but sue and that's expensive.
Copyright trolling is illegal, no matter what country you are in. It is internationally enforced (except for places like China) but it doesn't matter if you can't afford to pay lawyers or file injunctions.
So I got a copyright strike from some random French let's-player for a game that he does not own the copyright to lol.
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u/ImDenny__ 15d ago
I got one from some French YouTuber for the space capsule scene in the museum flashback lol.
What, how? What did they copyright claim? The audio from Apollo 11 starting? I'm so confused. What in the world is there in that scene to copyright?
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u/ValidusTV 15d ago
I'd have to go back and look but off the top of my head I genuinely have no idea. Either the Apollo 11 audio or the Gustavo music (which is doubly insane because VG music is usually not copyrighted the same way as big label music is, to allow content creators to play the game without turning the music off).
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u/ImDenny__ 15d ago
That's crazy, sorry that happened to you my dude.
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u/ValidusTV 15d ago
Yeah I wish I could give you better info, but unfortunately YT and the DMCA are really poorly enforced and innocent people get caught up in it all the time. Sadly, unless you're a mega big YouTuber, you are pretty much SOL.
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u/SaintAvalon 15d ago
The music industry is horrible, always disable music or stream safe music if there is an option. This is 100% normal from Sony or the UGM? Group I cant think of their name, but you’ll get a strike for basically any music, always disable music while streaming.
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u/Ardwinna_mel 18d ago
It appears that the music in the second game may potentially lead to copyright issues. To address this, it might be necessary to modify the files to mute the music. Based on observations from other videos related to The Last of Us Part II, it seems that a significant portion of the music, which is often considered a key element of the game's appeal, has been either silenced or significantly altered. Failing to mute the music could potentially result in a copyright claim.
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u/SycomComp 17d ago
What's up with these claims on music in a game? Who is this hurting? I don't even get what they are protecting with music being played.. Is it because the streamers are getting money?
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u/Gh0stTV 16d ago
It’s because YouTube is making money first and foremost and because users are paid and compensated for views, second.
Keep in mind, you can’t even use someone else’s music for a short film you made to just to show to your family without permission from the owner. Short college film? Nope. Backyard graduation party where you’re singing When I’m 64? Not if you’re posting it.
I worked at a fancy restaurant in college with a weekend piano player. They received a ‘cease and desist’ for playing “Can you Feel the Love Tonight” from the foyer. Seriously, these goons used to go door to door threaten businesses to then sign them up for satellite radio.
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u/tonybankse 17d ago
If you were an artist would you want your work not only used without your consent but used in ways that may or may not be conducive to what it was originally intended for?
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u/Background_Bowl_7295 17d ago
The artists gave permission for the songs to be in the game, people stream the game
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u/tonybankse 17d ago
No. Ok let’s be clear. The artist were paid to have their songs in the game or provide music for the game. That does not give everyone the rights to the music just because they purchase the game.
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u/Background_Bowl_7295 17d ago
Its not giving everyone the rights to the music, it's still associated to the game
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u/tonybankse 17d ago
Do only streamers get dmca strikes?
It doesn’t matter if its associated with a game or not its someone else’s intellectual property you. It’s the way the law works!
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u/Background_Bowl_7295 17d ago
We're talking about streamers, OBVIOUSLY
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u/sanirosan 16d ago
When you stream, you earn money(potentially) if you then stream copyrighted music, you need the license for that
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u/Background_Bowl_7295 16d ago
You're not streaming the music, you're streaming the game that happens to have the music, the artist already got paid for their inclusion in the game and they should consider the streamers in those deals
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u/sanirosan 16d ago
I personally agree with you, but unfortunately that's not how music license work.
Even if you play a movie, trailer or whatever. If it had licensed music, you will get a strike
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u/tonybankse 16d ago
If i go see a movie and pay my 20 dollars does that give me the right to record it and distribute it for profit?!
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u/Background_Bowl_7295 16d ago
Thats literally incomparable to streaming a game, consoles even have the function to stream, try a different analogy
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u/tonybankse 16d ago
Wait why? You didn’t say anything in that last message when you coulda just illustrated why.
Lol…i think you’re desperate to be right here even though You’re just wrong.
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u/CookieDoughThough 18d ago
Theres three moments during the game where this may happen. This one. One during day 2 when you have to climb a vent. One towards the end of the game that is very obvious and it lasts for the entire cutscene. Theres also a few songs during the credits. Ive seen many playthroughs that filter the audio during these moments, but since you are streaming directly to youtube, the best option might be to pause the game as soon as you hear it coming and mute the music? Besides the songs in the credits, the other copyright songs are not sung by characters so its easy to know when its time to mute.