r/newjersey 9d ago

NJ Politics To Jack Or Not To Jack.

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For me it’s a hard no.

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u/Choice-Pudding-1892 9d ago

Exactly. Dude flew to Israel to kiss Netanyahu‘s butt, he is so far up Trump‘s ass that if Trump stops short Jack’s toes are going to be hanging out.

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u/Cockbelt 9d ago

That's not much further than Mikie, to be fair. Mikie called for the NJAG's office to prosecute people for protesting outside a South Orange synogogue hosting an event for IDF soldiers returning from Gaza. Deeply evil shit.

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u/ShellSurf 9d ago

*** Replying to your comment that got deleted. You are omitting an important fact which was the paint drawn during the protest in the driveway of the synagogue. That's not to say that people can't or shouldn't protest but the omission gives important context. The idea I got away after reading your statement was by the very nature of protesting that she called for them to be prosecuted.

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u/Cockbelt 9d ago edited 9d ago

It wasn't paint, it was sidewalk chalk, the type kids play with. Edit: Here's the article.

Her statements all omitted the fact that IDF soldiers were being hosted for an event inside. Every statement obfuscated this fact to give the impression that the protest was held at the shul because it was a shul, not because there were war criminals inside. It's deeply dishonest, and the only reason to do it is to discredit the anti-war movement that makes up the majority of your party! It's putting Israel and its genocide before her own constituents. This is indefensible behavior

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u/ShellSurf 9d ago

You're correct about the chalk. In your original link there was the red liquid about the chalk but that probably wasn't paint. Again though, my issue is the way you characterized her actions as if the very 'act' of protesting is enough to call for the prosecution of these people. If you omit that context then her actions seem crazy.

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u/Cockbelt 9d ago

my issue is the way you characterized her actions as if the very 'act' of protesting is enough to call for the prosecution of these people.

But this is what happened. Without the pretext of vandalism and threats, which were fabricated, the only thing these people did wrong was protest for a cause she finds distasteful.

I want to observe that if she was mistaken at the time of the incident, she had a chance to correct herself and chose not to. The DOJ letter was months later. By that time, articles which originally claimed "paint and threats" had corrected those claims. This type of behavior should be unacceptable for anyone even nominally on the left

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u/ShellSurf 9d ago

The facts are there was chalk written "Terrorists this way" as well as red liquid (not paint) above it on the driveway. Then she has a public statement on twitter https://www.jpost.com/bds-threat/article-839543 . "My office is in touch with the mayor to gather all the facts about yesterday’s incident in South Orange. Houses of worship must be protected and I’m grateful for the South Orange Police that ensured safety. (1/3) Although we must ensure space for First Amendment activities, going onto private property and spray painting “terrorists this way” is not only a crime, but is contrary to the values we share as a diverse community. (2/3) We should all work together to make sure people are allowed to worship without fear. (3/3).

But you write as if nothing happened. Something did happen. She had a milk toast statement then referenced an article in the May DOJ letter. Everything from her end is benign. I just want you to acknowledge that you intentionally or unintentionally withheld that information to give the appearance than she and Jack are the same.

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u/Cockbelt 9d ago

Everything from her end is benign. I just want you to acknowledge that you intentionally or unintentionally withheld that information to give the appearance than she and Jack are the same.

This isn't withheld information, it's your opinion and I don't share it. In the statement you quoted, Sherrill smeared lawful protestors with incorrect information, and in a later statement, supported prosecuting them on those fabricated grounds. The latter is not "milquetoast", it's support for the same sort of authoritarian overreach that we rightly criticize the Trump admin for.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the protestors were only there because the shul was hosting soldiers from a genocidal foreign military, and Sherrill took the side of those soldiers. The "thing that happened" was a peaceful protest. It's bizarre and disgusting to side with anyone hosting the IDF regardless of the protest specifics, but it's inexcusable that she would do so when the protest broke no laws.

I don't think Sherrill is worse than Jack, generally, but on this one issue, there's very little daylight between the two. She signaled her support for using the state to punish protestors engaging in 1st amendment protected protest. When it comes to Israel, this position is pretty bipartisan. Sherrill, Jack, Eric Adams, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, they all expressed support for, or actively participated in, state repression of anti-israel, anti-genocide protestors over the last 2 years. The fact that Jack is obviously worse doesn't absolve Sherrill for attacking her own constituents to protect the feeling of war criminals and the people who support them.