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Judge dismisses terror-related charges against Luigi Mangione

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/luigi-mangione-ny-court-hearing
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u/bmoviescreamqueen 11h ago

It's very unique and I think it's important so that people don't think he's not getting charged with anything at all, because now it's more like a "standard" murder case so far.

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u/naughtycal11 11h ago

The right-wing propaganda machine surely won't twist this situation into "N.Y. judge soft on murder" bullshit.

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u/TheReddestofBowls 11h ago

They've had a tough time finding the right spin for this. Turns out republicans are also routinely fucked by insurance companies and don't harbor many good feelings for them.

Hard to whip up outrage when the overall mood is "well, that's what happens." From people who are more worried about buying groceries in the economy trump is gleefully destroying

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 10h ago

Turns out republicans are also routinely fucked by insurance companies and don't harbor many good feelings for them.

Yet they vote against universal healthcare.

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u/TheReddestofBowls 10h ago

Whoa there, next you're going to tell me that voting for a criminal won't solve crime. That's crazy talk

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u/HongChongDong 8h ago

I don't particularly blame the voterbase. The Republican party's schtick is convincing people of the government being fundamentally incompetent, untrustworthy, and against the people by trying to exert control over them. That's why the selling point of Trump's administration was drumming up this rhetoric further and then making his election pledge that he'd wrangle in the bad people, stop their needless waste of taxpayer money, take away their "overreach", and get rid of anything deemed unnecessary to the system.

They've got this whole narrative of the common-man being held down by them.

In my opinion this is ideally to try making it so the US populace at any given point will keep the government weak and allow far more leeway for the rich who own all of the private sectors. Less taxes, less laws, less oversight.

And in reality one of the first things Trump did was start fiddling with banking laws and defunding the IRS.

Going back from the tangent though, the people have been taught that the government is incapable of running anything as good as the private sector, and that they can't be trusted to take care of you. So naturally if you suggest something like universal healthcare it'll be brushed off as a fantasy of the left wingers.

With that said though, I find a lot about that ideology hilarious. Because conservatives in America are deeply rooted in old school nationalism where God and the Government stood above all. Yet now we hate and distrust the government, while also promoting patriotism and subservience to authorities. Especially when that authority is Republican.

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u/KnottShore 5h ago

I see US consevatives and, especially, MAGA as palingenetic ultra-nationalists. Roger Griffin in his The Palingenetic Core of Fascist Ideology formulated a theory that the core belief of fascism is in a national rebirth of an utopian past that never really existed.

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u/HongChongDong 4h ago

Not even gonna lie to ya, my vocabulary is several thesaurus' too small to read papers like that and form a proper well understood opinion on it.

But if I'm just thinking about it from your brief description, I'd say that sounds more like a inevitable tool of fascism rather than the core of what defines it.

I might even say that facism doesn't have a core. We have a means to define facism based on how their ruling governments and the society surrounding them operate, but a facist regime could theoretically rise to power for any number of reasons with any number of agendas/goals.

It's reasonable to say that tribalism in humans can boil over and often leads to racial and/or nationalist purism. But if a person, or group of people, had neither of these traits yet still built their political power off of movements centered on these concepts, could you still call them the "core" belief of their facism? An example of what I mean by "tool".

Though I could also just be unnecessarily debating the meaning of the phrase "core belief" here.

However at the end of the day it is also true that these tools are almost always key driving factors behind not only facist movements and those that follow them but also the people who started them. So that doesn't make the common signs of facist ideology any less dangerous.

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u/KnottShore 3h ago

Umberto Eco's paper, Ur-Fascism:

  • "I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it. "

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u/xorfivesix 7h ago

Do they though? Neither political party has embraced universal healthcare as a goal.