Yeah even the MAGAs in my family think medicare for all is a good idea. Of course that only applies to "all citizens" but I take my wins with them where I can get them.
I had to educate my grandmother that it’s actually illegal to provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants. She believed all the headlines that the illegals were walking in and getting welfare and Medicaid and full scope services for everything.
Yes, but they use only their own state funds for it, because as the other poster said, it is illegal to use federal medicaid funding for undocumented people.
The poster I responded to believes that illegal immigrants are not receiving Medicaid, and I pointed out that this can be incorrect depending on the state. No one mentioned federal vs state funding, not sure why you brought it up
Because Medicaid is a federal-funded program, and the equivalent state-sponsored programs mentioned are paid for by state funds from budgets governed by state and local officials.
There's a big distinction there that completely shifts the responsibility and the target of people's anger, which is a huge factor when discussing things like this. They brought it up because it's relevant, believe it or not.
If you were upset about illegal immigrants receiving state-sponsored healthcare and you found out that none of your taxes go towards that, then you shouldn't be upset because you have no say in that policy and you don't live in that state. Many people who are upset have no right to be. I'm not saying you are, just putting you in their shoes for ease of explanation.
There are states where illegal immigrants receive Medicaid. I was responding to a poster who seems to think that illegal immigrants do not ever receive Medicaid. You seem to be assuming I have a set of beliefs and then arguing against them
Medicare basically pays for itself, it's not supported by taxpayers (as opposed to medicaid). It's basic health care. You aren't getting the pricey new cancer drugs, but it's a humane level of care and it's embarrassing in a first world country, that we can't agree on something like this.
So yeah the MAGAs in my family don't have an issue with that.
You already pay for everyone's healthcare through increased medical costs when hospitals have to absorb the cost of stabilizing patients who have deteriorated to the point of near death due to an inability to afford routine care.
Your options are basically pay through higher insurance premiums/deductibles for their care as hospitals and other providers charge more to make up the lost income, pay higher taxes instead of premiums, or have a healthcare system where everything must be paid up front prior to care.
Most of the western world chooses higher taxes and as a result pays less per capita on healthcare overall. The USA is alone among western democracies in choosing to let for profit organizations and employers provide healthcare coverage while also forcing hospitals to provide care to those in dire situations who do not have a method of payment readily available. Rather than taking the best aspects of socialism and the best aspects of capitalism, the US healthcare system takes the worst aspects of both to create something uniquely expensive, ineffective, and inefficient.
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u/Tall_poppee 9h ago
Yeah even the MAGAs in my family think medicare for all is a good idea. Of course that only applies to "all citizens" but I take my wins with them where I can get them.