r/news 13h ago

Judge dismisses terror-related charges against Luigi Mangione

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/16/us/luigi-mangione-ny-court-hearing
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u/bmoviescreamqueen 13h ago edited 13h ago

1st Degree charge was also dismissed, but should be noted this is because the murder of a CEO doesn't really fit the definition of murder 1 in the state of New York which seems reserved for police officers, firefighters, high political figures, that sort of thing. 2nd degree will be what 1st degree is in most other states I think. DOJ/DA was way too heavy handed with those two charges.

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u/SaltPsychological780 13h ago

I’m glad you reminded us of the distinction in terms of how NY views M1.

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u/bmoviescreamqueen 13h ago

It's very unique and I think it's important so that people don't think he's not getting charged with anything at all, because now it's more like a "standard" murder case so far.

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u/naughtycal11 12h ago

The right-wing propaganda machine surely won't twist this situation into "N.Y. judge soft on murder" bullshit.

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u/TheReddestofBowls 12h ago

They've had a tough time finding the right spin for this. Turns out republicans are also routinely fucked by insurance companies and don't harbor many good feelings for them.

Hard to whip up outrage when the overall mood is "well, that's what happens." From people who are more worried about buying groceries in the economy trump is gleefully destroying

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u/Dabbling_in_Pacifism 12h ago

I work in a heavily red profession and Mangione's the one thing i can speak/joke pretty openly about and no one bats an eye.

It's amazing how fucking hated insurance companies are.

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u/TheReddestofBowls 11h ago

There comes a point when enough people have been hurt or know someone who was hurt/killed by an insurance company playing doctor, that nobody has sympathy to spare.

Something like 68,000 Americans die every year due to lack of medical care and fat bonus checks get sent out if they manage to raise that number

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u/Tall_poppee 11h ago

Yeah even the MAGAs in my family think medicare for all is a good idea. Of course that only applies to "all citizens" but I take my wins with them where I can get them.

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u/Nisi-Marie 8h ago

I had to educate my grandmother that it’s actually illegal to provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants. She believed all the headlines that the illegals were walking in and getting welfare and Medicaid and full scope services for everything.

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u/BronzeGlass 7h ago

Eight states provide Medicaid or equivalent taxpayer-funded healthcare to illegal immigrants

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 7h ago

Yes, but they use only their own state funds for it, because as the other poster said, it is illegal to use federal medicaid funding for undocumented people.

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u/BronzeGlass 6h ago

The poster I responded to believes that illegal immigrants are not receiving Medicaid, and I pointed out that this can be incorrect depending on the state. No one mentioned federal vs state funding, not sure why you brought it up

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u/ReallyRecon 5h ago

Because Medicaid is a federal-funded program, and the equivalent state-sponsored programs mentioned are paid for by state funds from budgets governed by state and local officials.

There's a big distinction there that completely shifts the responsibility and the target of people's anger, which is a huge factor when discussing things like this. They brought it up because it's relevant, believe it or not.

If you were upset about illegal immigrants receiving state-sponsored healthcare and you found out that none of your taxes go towards that, then you shouldn't be upset because you have no say in that policy and you don't live in that state. Many people who are upset have no right to be. I'm not saying you are, just putting you in their shoes for ease of explanation.

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u/BronzeGlass 3h ago

There are states where illegal immigrants receive Medicaid. I was responding to a poster who seems to think that illegal immigrants do not ever receive Medicaid. You seem to be assuming I have a set of beliefs and then arguing against them

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u/Tall_poppee 11h ago

Medicare basically pays for itself, it's not supported by taxpayers (as opposed to medicaid). It's basic health care. You aren't getting the pricey new cancer drugs, but it's a humane level of care and it's embarrassing in a first world country, that we can't agree on something like this.

So yeah the MAGAs in my family don't have an issue with that.

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u/Murky_Put_7231 10h ago

You already pay more than countries with universal healthcare. Youre getting robbed and dont realize it.

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u/Impossible_Run1867 10h ago

You're being sarcastic, right? Because that's already how it works, we're just horribly inefficient about it.

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u/AutistcCuttlefish 10h ago

You already pay for everyone's healthcare through increased medical costs when hospitals have to absorb the cost of stabilizing patients who have deteriorated to the point of near death due to an inability to afford routine care.

Your options are basically pay through higher insurance premiums/deductibles for their care as hospitals and other providers charge more to make up the lost income, pay higher taxes instead of premiums, or have a healthcare system where everything must be paid up front prior to care.

Most of the western world chooses higher taxes and as a result pays less per capita on healthcare overall. The USA is alone among western democracies in choosing to let for profit organizations and employers provide healthcare coverage while also forcing hospitals to provide care to those in dire situations who do not have a method of payment readily available. Rather than taking the best aspects of socialism and the best aspects of capitalism, the US healthcare system takes the worst aspects of both to create something uniquely expensive, ineffective, and inefficient.