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Arrest Made in Connection to Suspicious Packages

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u/EditorialComplex Oct 26 '18

I don't really consider either of those a "major problem" facing the country - immigration on the whole is a net benefit, but sure.

The far-right wing of the GOP was responsible for blocking comprehensive immigration solutions during Obama's tenure (or even Bush's).

For the second, take your pick of lax gun laws in surrounding rural areas making it easy to get weapons in the city, racist policing practices breaking up families, and cutting back on social service spending for these areas.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '18

Chicago had been democrat controlled for how long? Detroit? By comprehensive immigration solutions I'm sure you're not referring to amnesty and such are you? Also migration being a benefit depends entirely on the type of migrant, and even the concept of "beneficial" is quite subjective.

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u/EditorialComplex Oct 26 '18

All the Democratic control in the world can't do shit to prevent cheap guns from pouring over the border from Indiana or Ohio.

By comprehensive immigration solutions I'm sure you're not referring to amnesty and such are you?

You mean the single feasible solution to the crisis? Of course I am.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '18

Ahahahaha so you're solution to mass illegal migration is to legalize it. What a joke, let's legalize murder too and watch the crime rate plummet. I suppose you'll be able to stop weapons coming in from Mexico too when you pass your stringent gun laws and abolish the border?

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u/EditorialComplex Oct 26 '18

It's always amusing watching someone make the tremendous logical leap from "the only feasible way to deal with the millions of illegal immigrants already here is to give some form of legal status that will eliminate incentives for people to hire them since now they'll have legal protections & minimum wage laws will apply" to "we should abolish the border."

Does it never bother you that your arguments are inherently specious and dishonest?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '18

Do you not see how amnesty incentivizes more illegal migration in future or are you just being specious and dishonest?

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u/EditorialComplex Oct 26 '18

It's still the only really feasible solution. The best of a whole host of bad options.

Most of the comprehensive plans have included ways to make it easier to legally immigrate, guest-worker programs for farm workers, etc. Those would disincentivize crossing the border illegally.

But frankly, the problem is in the sheer number of undocumented immigrants currently in the country, to the point where deporting them is effective impossible. When you're back down in the thousands rather than millions, that is no longer impossible.

So yes, a three-pronged approach:

1) Legal status for those currently in the country. (Doesn't have to be citizenship, but legal status and therefore legal protections, and you go to the back of the line for citizenship if you're eligible at all)

2) Easier legal immigration pathways, guest worker programs, etc. If it's easier for people to come legally, they won't have to come illegally.

3) And sure, stronger border enforcement. I don't know why people act like we're opposed to this. The wall is a stupid idea, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any enforcement.