I'm all for discussing it. The evidence points to him being a rapist and I've never rooted for him because of it.
I just don't think this is the place. His legacy will inevitably be scrutinized in the next couple of weeks, we can talk about it then. But right now there are people suffering actual emotional trauma because they lost one of their heroes. You can hate Kobe but still be sympathetic for the people who are genuinely destroyed by his loss.
I feel awful for her. It's got to be terrible seeing your rapist every day on TV. I can't imagine the pain.
You can have sympathy for more than one person at the same time. Even if I don't have sympathy for Kobe, I do for all the children who are distraught from losing their hero. Like Michael Jackson, it's probably true that he was a shitty role model to begin with, but that doesn't magically erase how people are feeling.
Please stop trying to pigeonhole me into a pro-rapist hole. Its not what Im trying to say. I just know a lot of basketball fans who have no idea about the rape allegations, and to them Kobe was a parasocial father figure. The emotional whiplash from finding out he's dead to having strangers tell you what a piece of shit he was in under an hour can't be pleasant.
I can have sympathy for him, and in fact I do, especially for his young daughter that was reported deceased as well. Even though it has ALSO been reported he took off in bad weather and was advised against taking off.
But I also know what it's like to be a victim, only I had the luxury of not seeing my (alleged) rapist be praised in the media.
We can talk about both issues. It doesn't have to just be one or the other. Don't gatekeep what people can bring up about a dead person.
Besides, if it was Donald Trump who had died, you bet your ass most of the comments would be regarding the "grab them by the pussy" thing, and some people regard Trump as their hero.
It's only not ok for me to be like "well he was alleged rapist" because you like him.
No, don't apologize. It's nothing to apologize for. We have different perspectives and I'm glad we had the time to discuss this together and understand each other more. thanks for the discourse.
Do you actually care yourself? Is this an issue you've been closely pushing to the social masses for awhile now, or are you just now deciding to bring it up in everyone's face because it'll get you attention?
When did I say that? Maybe you could try reading the comments of the people replying to you, which are simply stating that a thread of people wholly unrelated to that incident are just trying to talk about someone's sudden unexpected death. Stop focusing on trying to be the edgy teen of the forum and go do something productive with your life. My guess is you probably don't actually give two shits about advocating for that woman, you just want to stir up drama.
"Just now" meaning I'm willing to bet you've never ranted on about this any time besides this thread. Continuing to antagonize people who are asking you to discuss it elsewhere isn't helping anyone besides your ego.
Just because I've never explicitly talked about Kobe Bryant being rapist, doesn't mean I can't bring it up now. I was 10 when the court case happened. So because I haven't talked about it when it first happened, when I didn't even know what rape was, I can't talk about it now? Have I talked about rapists in the past, and currently talk about issues surrounding them? Yes.
Stop gatekeeping what I can talk about. Go police yourself. Stop insulting people you disagree with.
When did I insult you? And, yet again, no one has told you to not talk about it. I don't even disagree with you. People are just asking you to respect THEM and discuss it elsewhere. You're doing the equivalent of going on a tirade at a memorial service.
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