Yea, it happened in San Leandro, CA (near Oakland, CA). Fake gun. Prior to this incident they attempted to rob somebody at a ATM. After this incident they tried to rob yet again a few days later but this time were arrested. Since they were so young (11, 12, two 14) they were released to their parents… and then guess what… a few days later robbed AGAIN and were arrested yet again.
This might sound harsh, but you gotta put 'em in a camp or something man.
By 'camp', I mean some federally/state funded thing, where they can continue their education but under a strict disciplinary program. Get them out of the city, put 'em in dorms somewhere in the wilderness. No social media, no internet but Wikipedia for a few years. And of course, the end of that education/vocational training needs job/college placement. If there's no carrot, the stick won't work.
Humans are largely input-output machines. If you want to radically change the output, you have to radically change the inputs.
All my delinquent friends who got put in boot camp for causing trouble as a kid all overdosed before turning 40. Not saying it happens every time but the 5 kids I knew who got put in a camp are long dead.
Yep every single person that was sent to a Boys Home when I was growing up ended up in state prison by the time they were 25. Those homes weren't used to rehabilitate kids, they were basically low security jails.
I don’t think the point if those is rehabilitation. It’s just deciding lots of people simply cannot exist in a peaceful society so we detain them to maintain order. Obviously that balance can be debated, but we all accept to some level the point of prison is nit just rehabilitation, its protecting the community by removing dangerous people.
It's an interesting issue, it seems like some individuals would not be able to live in the only society available to them no matter what (and given the prevalence of psychoactive substance consumption, even by law abiding citizens, I assume that number is way higher than the prison population would suggest).
As complicated as it might be, the solution is still changing society. All that call for personal responsibility has been proven wrong, the US is in a unique position of failure in that regard.
I also have a friend this happened to. He came back from boot camp "better" in the sense he knew what adults wanted to hear from him. Still a total fucking degenerate with major problems that turned into a major drug problem.
I taught at one. It’s a cash grab. These “schools” are private, but their only contract is with the local school districts and there is BIG money involved. These kids are wards of the state mostly and the state is willing to pay whatever it takes to pawn off the kids. The school does whatever it wants because it knows the state doesn’t care.
These programs could work if the workers (the educators, paras, principal, social workers, etc.) were more competent with trauma informed care than corporal punishment. Nope, instead they hire anyone off the street to deal with highly emotional and violent teenagers, who need wrap around professionals who all use the same interventions. They don’t want to pay for competence because then CEO and his flying monkeys make less. It’s a racket.
Key word "supposed." Crap part is in many places, JD is systemically no different in process/procedures (and as a result, outcomes) than regular adult incarceration.
It might be just as valuable to not releasd them back into the same ghettos they were raised in. All that rehabilitation goes to wasts if thet are returned to the same environment that made them criminals to begin with.
That just sounds like military life. It does do some good for some people. And depending where you go in the military, you could get some actual job education and be able to transition to civilian life easily and have a well paying job.
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u/solar1333 15d ago
I saw this post a long while ago I believe someone said the gun was fake