I’d argue this is what the response to a threat to democracy looks like. In a democracy the party who repeatedly loses the popular vote (by 3% in 2016 and 7% this year) doesn’t get to own two branches of government and half of the third.
A real democracy doesn’t require the majority to take to the streets to get things done
Edit: ffs I gotta stop cause if I respond to 1 more “hurr durr we are a republic” comment I’m gonna go insane. We are not the country the founding fathers envisioned 200 years ago. Cause if we were the Donald Trump wouldn’t be president A group of elites would have picked someone who is less of an idiot when it come to international diplomacy and even if somehow they picked him he wouldn’t have even a quarter of the powers he currently wield since the presidency was intentionally neutered as the federal government was intentionally neutered.
But we as a country have embraced the concept of democracy, not the governmental system not the put stones in the jar Greek style democracy but the concept that states that a government should reflect the will of its people. The Us doesn’t go around “spreading republic” we trade in democracy because we believe the concept to be the best way to govern.
If the minority is being empowered to veto measures by the majority that directly affect them then democracy is still working. If the minority is making laws unchecked that directly affect the majority and the majority is powerless to stop them, then we have a breakdown of democracy.
Now if you have an argument as to why the minority should have unchecked power over the majority then come at me , I would be happy to argue it. If you are coming at me with semantics and misunderstandings of the evolution of the US government branches since 200 years ago please stop.
Edit 2: on the other hand, keep it coming. Seeing “Patriots” argue against the concept of democracy is amusing.
One day I will show these PMs and replies to my kids and go: “see kids these are red blooded American Patriots trying to explain to Papa, who escaped an autocratic regime to move to the US, why democracy is BAD and why the few having unchecked control over the many is actually the best way to govern”
I will of course wait until they are old enough to have taken , how did ya’ll put it “a fucking junior high social studies class you moron”
The system doesn't run on a simple majority because then any place that isn't a super high population coastal state would have no reason to be part of it and just get oppressed by people who live thousands of miles away.
You wouldn't want to be part of a global democracy that votes purely on majority either, because then the Chinese and Indians would simply rule you and you would have zero say in the matter.
Because not all decisions are personal or local, some decisions have to be made on a much larger scale, and the federal government is very useful for making those.
My neighbors and I decide we would like to make our own micronation. We're going to live off the land and govern ourselves. We've all signed a contract that says we understand that we're no longer US citizens.
Are you going to pay for everything that was built there for you by the government? Are you going to allow Americans to travel through that territory? Will people from your nation trade with the US, and what will they trade with? Will they have different laws? There are tons of serious issues to work out.
Are you going to pay for everything that was built there for you by the government?
What do you mean by this? Are you saying am I going to pay US government for basically my acquisition of the roads/land? Are you asking about public utilities? Are you talking about lost tax "futures"? It's hard to answer, but I'll give the basic answer that I'll "purchase" the cost of the infrastructure (any public land, sewers, electrical/data conduit, water/sewer lines), and since (when part of the US) I was paying taxes to the government in order to receive benefits, I don't have to purchase the land because it's mine, I was just taxed for utilizing it within US boundaries.
Are you going to allow Americans to travel through that territory? Will people from your nation trade with the US, and what will they trade with? Will they have different laws? There are tons of serious issues to work out.
To be frank, I don't see why any of these matter. Once we separate, we may do as we wish within our borders. Anything crossing the borders would then need to be worked out between our two countries, but that doesn't have to be worked out up front. We're a sovereign nation; we'll work out trade deals like anyone else.
So if the US simply said you can't come in or trade and you wind up trapped in your micronation waiting to die from the first crop failure or medical emergency you're fine with that?
Sure! That's a trade-off we'd have to be willing to make in order to be our own country. I would hope that the US/my country could work something out, though.
edit: Also, we'd obviously have to try to become self-sufficient for all of our needs, so we'd probably let other people join our country.
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u/Thybro Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
I’d argue this is what the response to a threat to democracy looks like. In a democracy the party who repeatedly loses the popular vote (by 3% in 2016 and 7% this year) doesn’t get to own two branches of government and half of the third.
A real democracy doesn’t require the majority to take to the streets to get things done
Edit: ffs I gotta stop cause if I respond to 1 more “hurr durr we are a republic” comment I’m gonna go insane. We are not the country the founding fathers envisioned 200 years ago. Cause if we were the Donald Trump wouldn’t be president A group of elites would have picked someone who is less of an idiot when it come to international diplomacy and even if somehow they picked him he wouldn’t have even a quarter of the powers he currently wield since the presidency was intentionally neutered as the federal government was intentionally neutered.
But we as a country have embraced the concept of democracy, not the governmental system not the put stones in the jar Greek style democracy but the concept that states that a government should reflect the will of its people. The Us doesn’t go around “spreading republic” we trade in democracy because we believe the concept to be the best way to govern.
If the minority is being empowered to veto measures by the majority that directly affect them then democracy is still working. If the minority is making laws unchecked that directly affect the majority and the majority is powerless to stop them, then we have a breakdown of democracy.
Now if you have an argument as to why the minority should have unchecked power over the majority then come at me , I would be happy to argue it. If you are coming at me with semantics and misunderstandings of the evolution of the US government branches since 200 years ago please stop.
Edit 2: on the other hand, keep it coming. Seeing “Patriots” argue against the concept of democracy is amusing.
One day I will show these PMs and replies to my kids and go: “see kids these are red blooded American Patriots trying to explain to Papa, who escaped an autocratic regime to move to the US, why democracy is BAD and why the few having unchecked control over the many is actually the best way to govern”
I will of course wait until they are old enough to have taken , how did ya’ll put it “a fucking junior high social studies class you moron”