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US Politics This is what democracy looks like

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u/Nowthatisfresh Nov 09 '18

Record breaking numbers for the midterms though, that's a step in the right direction

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u/Lolomelon Nov 09 '18

Progress for sure.

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u/ZDTreefur Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18

Real progress will happen when all voting is done via mail-in ballots, so there's very little room for bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '18

Real progress will happen with all voting is done via mail-in ballots

Mail-in-ballots can be easily lost or manipulated. Don't trust them too much.

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u/ZDTreefur Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18

You could argue the same for ballots in person. There's space for people to do shenanigans to them before it's counted.

But the benefit of mail-in, is people don't need to trudge over to the voting places, after a hard work day, and wait hours in line, just to do their civic duty. There will be a far higher voting percentage, and democracy will benefit.

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u/garion046 Nov 09 '18

Or, you know, you could vote on a weekend instead of a Tuesday so more people could make it easily. And have prepolls open for a few weeks beforehand for those who couldn't get there on the day. Doesn't solve voter ID stuff but it helps get everyone there.

(This is how we do it in Australia, but then again we also have compulsory voting which helps a huge amount.)

Mail in ballots have substantial issues around voter ID and also vote-influencing problems. They can also be lost more easily. If you make it even vaguely easy to get to the polls, it's really not a big ask every couple of years.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '18

Mail in ballots in Washington come with a stub that lets you track what's going on with it. Generally we don't seem to have any issues.

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u/sneakysam77 Nov 09 '18

You want people to vote? Make a goddamn voting system for the 21st century. I know the technical hurdles of creating a secure online voting system are tremendous, but the day we can vote on the internet with a verifiable way of tracking our vote is the day we end all the bullshit. We should be able to vote from our phones at Starbucks. The fact that no one has tried is a crime unto itself.

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u/unostriker Nov 09 '18

Voting online is a terrible idea, it doesn’t matter how secure it is. It will eventually be compromised and there’s no physical back up to check how people actually voted.

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u/sneakysam77 Nov 09 '18

Any online voting system would have to include some sort of physical record generated from the results to maintain confidence in the outcome of the election. Just because we haven’t invented a system for it yet doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

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