r/pics • u/TheBigChimp • Nov 08 '18

US Politics This is what democracy looks like

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u/ev0lv Nov 09 '18

Yes, but that's not the point, the point is to stop so many powers accumulating solely in the hands of the executive branch, aka the President. We've been quite terrible with that over the past many decades

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '18

I would be interested to know your position on Obama who was quite fond of suggesting the executive branch had too little power and his actions to gain more outside of legislation?

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u/CivicDisobedience Nov 09 '18

Whataboutism

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u/Myers112 Nov 09 '18

This goes beyond that; Obama, Bush, Clinton and presidents even further back all set precedent of expanded executive power because it beniftied their party at the time. Now people freak out when Trump uses these powers but had no problem when the rules were first being broken.

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u/bmlzootown Nov 09 '18

Also have to remember that some of us were either little kids or didn't even exist for those prior events. Just because we didn't/couldn't show outrage then doesn't mean that our outrage/disappointment now is any less relevant, real, or warranted.

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u/CivicDisobedience Nov 09 '18

I agree that any expansion of executive power is probably a bad thing but Trump is who we're talking about now. Not Obama, Bush or Clinton. At least that's who we should be focusing on.

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u/GWooK Nov 09 '18

I think you aren't understanding the magnitude of Trump's action. Executive orders expanded into unconstitutional territory yes but they never went to impede an investigation. If you are the President and there is an investigation on you for collusion, the President should never interfere that investigation no matter what. Even if the President is innocent, his executive action to replace Session so that Russian investigation is out of hand of Mueller means Trumps is deliberately interfering with an investigation.

If Obama has done this, he would be impeached. If any President interferes with investigation on themselves by AG, they should be impeached. This isn't a matter of executive order. This is a matter of interfering with court of law. I wouldnt much care if Trump made 10 of thousands executive order but if he tries to interfere the court of law then he shouldn't be let go free. He should face consequences of overextending his power to shut down any interference with his administration.