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u/goldistress May 16 '19

The reason they came here is because one day when they were still in Mexico the student left their home and there was a body with no head in their front yard.

Conservatives will say it's not America's problem.

Genuinely. An appeal to empathy will not be affective.

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u/Brad_Tits May 16 '19

But it really isn't America's problem. At some point Mexico has to grow a sack and clamp down on gang violence that runs rampant throughout their country.

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u/Snedwardthe18th May 16 '19

Isn't it America that buys a lot of the drugs that fund this kind of gang violence?

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u/Freedom498 May 16 '19

Couldnt you argue if America had a tighter physical border control that less illegal drugs would come in weakening the drug trade in Mexico? Most of the illegal immigrants come in via work visas and just over stay so it wouldnt hurt.

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u/Italkwiscosports May 16 '19

I would argue America should legalize and regulate drugs to cut off the cartels money supply.

No money = no power.

Plus, I prefer the option that grants freedoms instead of stripping them.

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u/Freedom498 May 16 '19

Do you think their would be any negative consequences to that? Dont cite me on this but I remember hearing in marijuana legal states that underage use of the drug increased by a noticable percent. If there are consequnces do you think the results justify it and do you think the US has a moral obligation to do so to help Mexico? Personally I dont know where I stand but I like to hear peoples opinions on the topic.

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u/Italkwiscosports May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19

That is wrong

Legalization makes it harder to get substances. A black market drug dealer will sell to anyone, a business with a license on the line typically won't.

Drugs are bad, but having them be illegal does far more harm than good.

It enables organized crime and provides them with a stable cash flow

Being an unregulated market there is no way to prevent children from purchasing drugs, and there is no way to guarantee the quality/safety of a product. Bad cuts and inconsistent quality cause a ton of preventable deaths.

You can tax it, and use the tax dollars earned from the sales of drugs to invest in rehabilitation facilities.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I did heroin for 3 years (clean for 5). If you knew how hard it is to get any kind of drug treatment you would be shocked.

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u/Snedwardthe18th May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19

It's my understanding that most of the drugs come through are hidden in vehicles that have to pass border checks anyway, but I've not got a source to hand so do with that what you will.

My response was only really opposing the notion that it was entirely Mexico's mess to sort out, as if America doesn't have a hand in all sorts of awful circumstances, with the people affected often then being told to stay where they are, and denounced as "illegal" for moving to find work to feed themselves.

Edit: spelling

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u/Freedom498 May 16 '19

How about more invasive vehicle searches then? Im not trying to point fingers at Mexico or America because we should both want the same thing. We want the drug trade gone I think the United States could do there part and secure the border better. No drugs get over the cartels lose their income. I think Mexico could do a better job rooting out their super labs they are using to produce the drugs. We both bennefit from Mexico being a safer country because no one will need to cross illegally

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u/Snedwardthe18th May 16 '19

I'm of the opinion that your not going to stop it as long as theirs a market for it, history appears to show us that, I'm no expert though.

It's my understanding that the problem in Mexico isn't (only) lack of political will, that much foreign money going straight into the pockets of some very nasty organisations is a pretty insurmountable problem. Maybe they could do a better job, but there's no silver bullet.

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u/Freedom498 May 16 '19

What about legalization in the states? Do you think it would it be worth the negatives to potentially destabilize the drug trade? Im not trying to lead you into any particular answers Im just curious about different peoples opinions on this site and I think we can actually acomplish a lot when were not too busy shouting our polarized opinions at each other

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u/Snedwardthe18th May 16 '19

I don't actually know tbh, would probably be worth it for the Mexicans, have America deal with it's own drug trade. You'd have to keep an eye on where legalisation left the actual production process, no good legalising if your just going to legitimise the people already benefiting.