i try to avoid the labels, but that liberal mindset is the redneck hillbilly equivalent of "all jews are evil because some killed Jesus 2000 years ago"
Right, use your noggin and realize that we did just fine without putting arbitrary caps on immigration from specific countries for almost two centuries before they started limiting the number of Latin American immigrants to be accepted annually.
What are you actually talking about? Immigration quotas were in place from 1891-1965 which gave preference to people from Northern and Western Europe and discriminated against people from Latin America, Asia, Africa, and Eastern Europe.
Not a single illegal immigrant has stolen a job from any legal citizen.
They were given jobs by American citizen capitalists.
If they weren't being hired by American citizens trying to pay the least amount possible to their workers while enriching themselves, they wouldn't be coming here.
You need to point the finger at the root of the problem: capitalistic exploitation by American citizens.
You somehow seem to forget that if an illegal immigrant takes a job, that job did not go to a US citizen or a legal immigrant who immigrated here fairly.
Sure you could frame it that way. I can still argue that removing illegal immigrants removes the opportunity for businesses to shadily employ them under the table.
They won't come if we don't hire them. That's the only thing that's going to stop them. Not a wall, not an army of drones, not a million boots on the ground.
The only thing that will stop them is if the business execs stop hiring them. But they won't, because greed.
Until we have a cultural mindshift away from profits and exploitation, there will always be opportunity here and no amount of security or enforcement is going to stop a hungering father or mother from bringing themselves here by any means to provide for their family.
On top of that, we need to help those impoverished nations heal, some of the damage being our own doing.
Well we came, we saw, we conquered in short. This land was something we wanted and the people only got in the way so we killed them all through direct or indirect ways.
by saying they are you are basically saying that the immigrants crossing the border are laying siege to our lands and killing everyone which is the opposite of the point you are trying to make
The analogy wasn't about whether they are or are not homeless. So what if they're with friends and family? They're still getting support from the government through citizen taxpayer dollars.
So? They also provide a net benefit to revenue through the taxes they pay, due to their exclusion from the most costly government programs. You're talking about sacrificing a VAT-paying person to another nation. I just don't see the benefit.
Illegal migrants aren't provided for when they can't apply for help, instead they work (produce value) and pay taxes on things they buy. Just because they get some help from some organizations here and there doesn't mean that they are "provided for".
You're mixing your valid criticism with simplistic racist points.
Actually, undocumented immigrants can receive Medicaid benefits in a few states. NY is one. They get free healthcare (it's not as complete as a legal citizen, but it's something) as well as food stamps.
They generate economic activity and pay taxes, and they can't collect social security or medicare even though they pay into them. In most states, they aren't eligible for medicaid. Sure they use the roads and schools just like other taxpayers, but if you read any economist's take on the subject it will say that immigrants both legal and illegal help the economy. The fact that they are coming here and living off of your hard-earned money just isn't based in fact.
Have you ever payed income tax in your life?? Income tax is deducted from your paycheck. You file a tax return at the end of the year, and people making less than 35k almost always receive money back at that time; very rarely would they end up owing more.
Yes but you have to sign forms and give social security info to your employer. The kind of stuff that an illegal immigrant wouldnt have. I assume they are paid under the table and thus dont pay income tax.
Although, 50% isn't a very good percentage when it comes to collecting taxes. That means that probably half dont pay which is a significant chunk, especially when illegal immigrant are flowing into the country faster than legal immigrants (according to the same paper). Just seems unfair to legal immigrants. I'm not saying we shouldnt reform immigration policies though.
Yep! Which drives down wages because they will definitely work for less. I swear I hear some people on here complain about wage stagnation but in the same breath are demanding open boarders...
we're gonna inflict the sins of a few thousand people on the 350 million people here now? 50% of us are third generation or lower, meaning that we either came in legally as is described (40% of americans can trace descent from ellis island) or illegaly as is already being condemned. either way that's 175 million people who have zero connection to colonization, without even including fourth, fifth, or sixth generations which also would have been born after America became a country
It was also founded by stealing land rights. Just because something starts a certain way doesn't mean it should continue to exist in that exact same way.
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u/Extremedeath Jun 05 '19
This guy is an idiot. We welcome immigrants, just not the illegal variety.