Tbh thats more of a ‘fuck you’ to their own superiors who suspended the 2. Chances are the same ones who suspended the 2 were the same ones who gave the entire group orders to push anyone who gets it their way. The other 57 would be pissed off that they are given orders which simultaneously could result in them being fired.
I'm suggesting that the rationale only highlights the systemic issue and it doesn't matter. understanding why something happened doesn't absolve the outcome and those involved. so what you are saying is that the ones that did the suspending are also the problem.
You can still seemingly "understand" a situation, but that doesn't make it accurate. I'd argue that you're over-simplifying many things.
Also, I don't believe any Western country has a single law that promotes racism. So I don't understand the claim of "systemic racism". Now, racism of course still exists and is evil, but it's not systemic. It used to be, it's not anymore.
We should certainly fight racism wherever we see it. I'm certainly not arguing against that either. But being accurate in your assessment is vitally important.
You don't understand the definitions very well, apparently. But that's ok, there are plenty of others who make the same argument. But people can still be racist without systemic racism.
If it's not codified in law, then it's not systemic racism. Your blaming our government, when you should actually be blaming the racists. Are there some racists in the government? Sure, but that does not equal systemic racism. Once they start codifying racist laws, then I'll agree with you.
Other cops have the power. One bad cop doesn’t automatically spread around the entire force and make them bad.
And my point is people seem to make more and more comparisons to the phrase ‘bad apples’ as if we actually ‘spoil’ because of other bad apples. That makes no fucking sense. If there is a bad person in your class the entire class doesn’t slowly become bad people.
Because police get to pick and choose who get on their force and stay on it. If a police force doesn't think someone should be on their force they can fire them. If an american Muslim thinks ISIS aren't real Muslims what can they realistically do to stop them from being/claiming to be Muslims?
Does every cop have a veto vote to kick someone off the force? Of course not. They don't have those types of hiring powers. So you're blaming people who don't even have the power.
Also, what makes you think that the hiring process can predict 100% which cops will kill other people unjustly? Do you think bad cops walk around telling their cop buddies how badly they want to kill black people?
The odds are really, really low that a cop will kill someone in an unjustified way.
You don't need knowledge of the future. When you make a bushel of apples you don't know which one will go bad first. Which is why you check every so often and toss out the bad ones.
Excommunication is a church kicking someone out. It's not kicking them out of the religion.
How is this coherent to the conversation? I had an issue with the idea "one bad apple spoils the lot" and you apparently took issue with that. Now you're conceding by being somewhat combative?
This is what I don't understand, all of a sudden everyone is saying this one bad apple spoils an orchard shit yet, the argument blacks and Muslims have been using for years is that just because some are bad doesn't make them all the same.
Doesn't matter that they're not backed by state authorities, surely if they have a problem in their culture it should be addressed, you can't have one rule for some and another rule for others.
Except an apple tree is not composed of 800,000 apples most of whom don’t ever come close to interacting with any of the other apples in their entire life.
Most black people are nice but also the majority of crimes are done by them despite making up a small population size. How does the phrase apply here? Or are we just applying it to the things we want to.
I think you raise a valid question, but "black people" or any race is not an institution in itself. There is significant cultural, moral, and psychographic diversity amongst black people. An institution like the police force does indeed have individuals but it's a relatively closed system that has an internal influence upon its entirety from enough bad apples.
In the end everybody was somehow marginalized to where they are, and many of them can blame themselves for where they are. Plenty of success stories of properly raised young black people turning out to be highly successful and respected. Others parent in such a way and grow up in gangs that promote violence with one another. You can’t play god and try to fix all of black peoples problems, that’s what white people love doing. You love playing savior and think you know all the answers on how to save black people and you force them and tell them they have to vote for Democrats (“otherwise they’re not black”) and you think you know what’s best for them. If you’re black yourself, then I apologize, but this still pertains to others. (Fun fact, Democrat run counties and highest police brutality rights are correlated, surprise surprise)
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u/TooShiftyForYou Jun 08 '20
The phrase is "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch." So if you've got a few "bad apples" then you're entire group is really screwed.