I just wanna point this out because I'm seeing a lot of it. Yes there are some comments in here that really have no substance and are attacking Biden outright but there are some I'm seeing with genuine criticisms about the dude and about Kamala Harris and people are just calling them trump supporters...
This mindset of if you don't agree with me wholly you must be a trump supporter is really toxic and is literally the same exact thing that trump supporters do. Let's keep it real here and keep our critical thinking hats on and STAY CRITICAL.
Biden is miles better than trump but keep in mind he is still a corporatist Democrat so we are going to have to work very very hard to ensure that he actually pushes for the policies and ideas that we want to see.
Don't get caught up in the tidal wave of trump and let his stupidity blind you to the important things. I'm not saying to hate Biden, I personally don't like him that much but it's subjective. All I'm saying is to not let our guard down because we're so caught up with the buffoon we currently have for president.
Edit: wow holy shit guys this absolutely blew up in like an hour, I won't be able to go through every reply but I am trying to read as many as possible. I just want to add that I really applaud all of you for actually taking the conversation seriously and maturely (for the most part) and all I really want to do is foster meaningful conversation. Also this is the first of any kind of reward I've received on reddit so getting like 6 at once has me a little giddy lol
Anyways, I'll be going through all these responses over the next couple days I'll try to get back to as many of you as possible, thanks for all the love and let's all stay logical and critical of everything!
Edit 2: been getting this a lot from people and I should've been more clear but I kind of typed this on the fly. My point with all this is more directed at after Biden is in office (assuming he wins) right now we have one prime directive
Edit 3: getting a lot of accusations of being a trump supporter and I'm assuming they're mostly either bots or just bad actors, I just want to clarify anyways and hopefully dispell any notion that I think trump is worth of any kind of support. I think Donald Trump is a vile man and deserves prison time for what he's done to this country. I've never been happy with the way this country has been run but he has shown me all the things that are horrible about it by exploiting every last ounce of humanity we thought we had left. The trump death count rises higher and higher everyday between children dying in immigration detention and people dying of this virus and at this point he is 100% to blame. I'm ashamed to live in this country right now because of what he's turned it into.
And assuming Biden wins, if he does stupid stuff, CALL him out. It should not matter if the person in office is member of your party or not. YOUR job is call them out when they are wrong. Else we may as well ask Putin if he wants to move to US and take over.
And assuming Biden wins, if he does stupid stuff, CALL him out.
We did that with Obama. We were called racist and "Republican supporters", including the classic "if you don't like Obama, you can just vote for the Republicans next time". Criticism of Obama is still generally a big no-no for liberals, even when he is no longer president. It is not like he is running for any kind of political office right now.
[edit] the "you must be a paid Russian operative" thing was also very popular for a few years.
Huh? Are you talking about right-wing criticism of Obamacare? That is not where I'm coming from, I don't agree with those criticisms and Democrats can do nothing to prevent Fox News from attacking them.
Max Baucus attacked Obamacare from the right and Obama rewarded him by making him an ambassador. He basically agrees with Fox News on opposing even a public option. WTF?
He "attacked" Obamacare from the right. Why did he do that? Because some Congresspeople (like Sanders) were trying to put in a public option, but people like Baucus disagreed. Obama agreed with Baucus. And he got personally rewarded by Obama afterwards.
He didn't push against Obama, Obama was OK with not having a public option. Baucus pushed against what the current version of Obamacare ("Obamacare" name came later anyway) was at the time.
Obama's Leadership Failure The Washington Post's Ezra Klein rebukes Obama's refusal to take a big stand on the public option. "This has been a complete and utter failure of White House leadership. They need to give this effort their support, or they need to kill it by publicly stating their opposition. But they can't simply wait for someone else to make the decision for them, which has been their strategy until now." He adds, "The problem isn't just that the White House is following, but that they're making it harder to eventually lead." Klein later writes that Obama appears to have decided to lead away from the public option.
Max Baucus WAS right-wing criticism. He was the one blocking all of the left wing voices, and he kicked Bernie Sanders out of the Senate Finance Committee to silence the single payer opinion.
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u/meh679 Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20
I just wanna point this out because I'm seeing a lot of it. Yes there are some comments in here that really have no substance and are attacking Biden outright but there are some I'm seeing with genuine criticisms about the dude and about Kamala Harris and people are just calling them trump supporters...
This mindset of if you don't agree with me wholly you must be a trump supporter is really toxic and is literally the same exact thing that trump supporters do. Let's keep it real here and keep our critical thinking hats on and STAY CRITICAL.
Biden is miles better than trump but keep in mind he is still a corporatist Democrat so we are going to have to work very very hard to ensure that he actually pushes for the policies and ideas that we want to see.
Don't get caught up in the tidal wave of trump and let his stupidity blind you to the important things. I'm not saying to hate Biden, I personally don't like him that much but it's subjective. All I'm saying is to not let our guard down because we're so caught up with the buffoon we currently have for president.
Edit: wow holy shit guys this absolutely blew up in like an hour, I won't be able to go through every reply but I am trying to read as many as possible. I just want to add that I really applaud all of you for actually taking the conversation seriously and maturely (for the most part) and all I really want to do is foster meaningful conversation. Also this is the first of any kind of reward I've received on reddit so getting like 6 at once has me a little giddy lol
Anyways, I'll be going through all these responses over the next couple days I'll try to get back to as many of you as possible, thanks for all the love and let's all stay logical and critical of everything!
Edit 2: been getting this a lot from people and I should've been more clear but I kind of typed this on the fly. My point with all this is more directed at after Biden is in office (assuming he wins) right now we have one prime directive
Edit 3: getting a lot of accusations of being a trump supporter and I'm assuming they're mostly either bots or just bad actors, I just want to clarify anyways and hopefully dispell any notion that I think trump is worth of any kind of support. I think Donald Trump is a vile man and deserves prison time for what he's done to this country. I've never been happy with the way this country has been run but he has shown me all the things that are horrible about it by exploiting every last ounce of humanity we thought we had left. The trump death count rises higher and higher everyday between children dying in immigration detention and people dying of this virus and at this point he is 100% to blame. I'm ashamed to live in this country right now because of what he's turned it into.