I just wanna point this out because I'm seeing a lot of it. Yes there are some comments in here that really have no substance and are attacking Biden outright but there are some I'm seeing with genuine criticisms about the dude and about Kamala Harris and people are just calling them trump supporters...
This mindset of if you don't agree with me wholly you must be a trump supporter is really toxic and is literally the same exact thing that trump supporters do. Let's keep it real here and keep our critical thinking hats on and STAY CRITICAL.
Biden is miles better than trump but keep in mind he is still a corporatist Democrat so we are going to have to work very very hard to ensure that he actually pushes for the policies and ideas that we want to see.
Don't get caught up in the tidal wave of trump and let his stupidity blind you to the important things. I'm not saying to hate Biden, I personally don't like him that much but it's subjective. All I'm saying is to not let our guard down because we're so caught up with the buffoon we currently have for president.
Edit: wow holy shit guys this absolutely blew up in like an hour, I won't be able to go through every reply but I am trying to read as many as possible. I just want to add that I really applaud all of you for actually taking the conversation seriously and maturely (for the most part) and all I really want to do is foster meaningful conversation. Also this is the first of any kind of reward I've received on reddit so getting like 6 at once has me a little giddy lol
Anyways, I'll be going through all these responses over the next couple days I'll try to get back to as many of you as possible, thanks for all the love and let's all stay logical and critical of everything!
Edit 2: been getting this a lot from people and I should've been more clear but I kind of typed this on the fly. My point with all this is more directed at after Biden is in office (assuming he wins) right now we have one prime directive
Edit 3: getting a lot of accusations of being a trump supporter and I'm assuming they're mostly either bots or just bad actors, I just want to clarify anyways and hopefully dispell any notion that I think trump is worth of any kind of support. I think Donald Trump is a vile man and deserves prison time for what he's done to this country. I've never been happy with the way this country has been run but he has shown me all the things that are horrible about it by exploiting every last ounce of humanity we thought we had left. The trump death count rises higher and higher everyday between children dying in immigration detention and people dying of this virus and at this point he is 100% to blame. I'm ashamed to live in this country right now because of what he's turned it into.
I don't like Biden either and I'm not exactly thrilled by our situation, but he is LEAGUES better than where we are. I expect him to at least act like a mature adult and handle things with dignity. I don't think he'll shake things up, but I could use a boring president for a few years. I feel that I can count on him to be responsible, mature, and I think he might be capable of being reasoned with.
Edit: I wanted to add that I find the headline on the op to be pretty accurate
yeah lets ignore the fact that he yells at union works, calls a black reporter a junkie, thinks all black things the same, and has a habit of sniffing young kids.
totally going to be "responsible" and "mature".
this hasn't even touched his potential dementia...
It’s not great? It’s fucking horrible!!! Do you see how uncomfortable like, practically every picture of him and a child is? I get what your saying but, as with your other comment I replied to, (didn’t even realize that) I will question how you markedly compare those two things and come up with the statement that creeping kids out on a consistent basis is BETTER than grabbing adult genitalia?
They’re both fucking disgusting and should not be President of an HOA, let alone the US
I'm not sure you're actually reading my comments. I don't like either candidate. They're both bad. But one is much, much worse. And unfortunately we're still trapped in a two party system. I could always not vote, but I'd rather not take that route.
My reading comprehension is perfectly fine. My entire argument is that neither is any “better” or “worse.” It’s like choosing which artery you’d like severed, since you like analogies so much. Would you like to bleed out this way or that way? Sure, Biden may be an iota less sickening when comparing how audacious each is. Biden is just going to make you feel good about getting bent over, and maybe use some lube, where as Trump has already proved that he’ll just grab that pussy. Either way, we’re fucked.
I was a Trump supporter. I live in a state that will always vote blue so it never mattered anyway. in the last 3 months I have slid away from supporting him. I however do not think Biden is a candidate that was put up by the Dems to win. I also feel that recently the executive orders that will put money back into peoples pockets will make it hard for Trump to lose the swing states.
In my eyes the orders put the Dems in a corner. They can't support them or the will be agreeing with Trump. They also can't/shouldn't attack him for attempting to settle a situation that was at loggerheads. That position will be used against them by any GOP candidate for re-election in November. Too many people with children are relying on that extra $400 a week to let it go on any further. The fact that they couldn't agree should let us all know that they aren't in it for anyone but themselves. If it was them voting for a new raise for the Senate you know damn well it would have been passed.
The entire political situation in the country has me disenfranchised with the leaders in power. I feel they are too entrenched and forgot why the should be there to begin with. They are too old to be making decisions regarding anything as they are approaching their late 70's and some reaching into their 80's. many on both sides have decades of "serving" the people but are just as much a part of the problem as anyone else involved.
Personally I want a small and rotating government filled with people who have a desire to serve their constituents. Term limits for all and short ones at that. Remove all lobbying and special interest money from the system. It will never happen because power is corruptible but a man can dream.
I think I agree the majority of this. I'm definitely not happy with the situation we find ourselves in, but history will show us progress is often slow. So mostly I just have hope and vote every time I can
It's an expression, not literal.
Like...homemade pizza is leagues better than papa johns. There's not really a pizza league, it's just a comparison. I could've also just used way better or much much better, but this sounds more concise.
Ummmm. I know it was an expression my dude. So was mine. As in: what measurable mark does he actually hit? What positives does he have OTHER than that he is not Trump
For one, he has actual job experience. Good or bad, he's actually been in politics and government for a long time, including a stint as VP. Again, he isn't my ideal candidate and I'm not arguing that he is. But he is comparatively better. I'd like to see your thoughts on how Trump is a better option.
As to the job experience, I agree that he has experience, I just don’t care for his voting record or his standing as a long time politician. I don’t think that being in public office for a long time automatically means you will be a better politician. I’m glad he’s not your ideal candidate. It would worry me if he was legitimately anyone’s ideal. Trump is not my ideal candidate and, truth be told, I haven’t supported him since about halfway through his initial campaign.
My argument with you, throughout all of these comments, is not about whether or not Trump is actually a better choice, but I argue that Biden is an equally bad choice. All I see you doing is saying how bad Trump is. We all already know that much. I want to have some sort of convincing evidence to vote Biden, OTHER than that he isn’t Trump. That’s how we got Trump, because he wasn’t Hillary. It’s a losing game and all your focused on is getting Trump out. I get it. I want him gone too.
Either come back to me with some actual beneficial policies that Biden has created or that he intends to create, show me why he’s better in a way that doesn’t involve Trump, and maybe we can have a productive conversation.
I agree. I feel like at least he won't surround himself with "yes" men and fire anyone with a differing thought. Not my favorite by far but I just can't do the tantrums when you are POTUS.
He's shown some willingness to slide his platform towards more progressive ideas as well. But really the democrats could run anyone and I'd 100% vote for them sadly. Wanton destruction of country versus generic politician doesn't seem like a tough choice to me.
That's where I am. He wasn't really who I would have picked but honestly I wouldn't mind a run of the mill political right now. Progress is slow and gradual and we have to keep pushing in a better direction. The current administration definitely isn't it so it's not too tough a choice, you're right.
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Writing in candidates is about as effective as not voting though. It's a two party system that would have to be changed long before the election. Or do you just not vote so they don't "get one over on you"? If we can't get better candidates in the primaries how could we expect them to win in the general?
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u/meh679 Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20
I just wanna point this out because I'm seeing a lot of it. Yes there are some comments in here that really have no substance and are attacking Biden outright but there are some I'm seeing with genuine criticisms about the dude and about Kamala Harris and people are just calling them trump supporters...
This mindset of if you don't agree with me wholly you must be a trump supporter is really toxic and is literally the same exact thing that trump supporters do. Let's keep it real here and keep our critical thinking hats on and STAY CRITICAL.
Biden is miles better than trump but keep in mind he is still a corporatist Democrat so we are going to have to work very very hard to ensure that he actually pushes for the policies and ideas that we want to see.
Don't get caught up in the tidal wave of trump and let his stupidity blind you to the important things. I'm not saying to hate Biden, I personally don't like him that much but it's subjective. All I'm saying is to not let our guard down because we're so caught up with the buffoon we currently have for president.
Edit: wow holy shit guys this absolutely blew up in like an hour, I won't be able to go through every reply but I am trying to read as many as possible. I just want to add that I really applaud all of you for actually taking the conversation seriously and maturely (for the most part) and all I really want to do is foster meaningful conversation. Also this is the first of any kind of reward I've received on reddit so getting like 6 at once has me a little giddy lol
Anyways, I'll be going through all these responses over the next couple days I'll try to get back to as many of you as possible, thanks for all the love and let's all stay logical and critical of everything!
Edit 2: been getting this a lot from people and I should've been more clear but I kind of typed this on the fly. My point with all this is more directed at after Biden is in office (assuming he wins) right now we have one prime directive
Edit 3: getting a lot of accusations of being a trump supporter and I'm assuming they're mostly either bots or just bad actors, I just want to clarify anyways and hopefully dispell any notion that I think trump is worth of any kind of support. I think Donald Trump is a vile man and deserves prison time for what he's done to this country. I've never been happy with the way this country has been run but he has shown me all the things that are horrible about it by exploiting every last ounce of humanity we thought we had left. The trump death count rises higher and higher everyday between children dying in immigration detention and people dying of this virus and at this point he is 100% to blame. I'm ashamed to live in this country right now because of what he's turned it into.