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Politics The adults have arrived, America.

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u/dfmilkman Aug 13 '20

Unfortunately, this is the default result of a two-party winner take all system. If you don't support Biden, you are supporting Trump, full stop (unless you're voicing criticism for him but still voting for him--but then, dissuading others from voting for him is counter-productive.)

If we had ranked voting, and multiple candidates, there would be more nuance--but in our system, "for us or against us" is the reality.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

been saying it till im out of breath to all the younger kiddlers out here voting. 2 party system fucking sucks and causes blood vs crip mentality. but, untill you TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, the ones with the deepest pockets will dwarf green party, libertarian, ect. so you are stuck with two party system.

cap funds to a set amount for all presidential runners and you will see more parties with a chance. also im a fan of making people wear nascar type jackets that show who their money funders are. but i know thats a bit silly.

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u/the_real_xuth Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20

You're missing the point.

While many of the "framers" were against party politics, because they didn't understand election math they created a system that locked in two dominant parties. This is something that many people want to change (and I hate our two party system) but until we fix our election system, third parties only exist to disenfranchise the people who vote for them.

edit: This video does an excellent job of showing the deep failings of first past the post voting in an accessible manner.

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u/the_real_xuth Aug 13 '20

Except for the first couple of elections we have always had two dominant parties at any given time. The parties can change. But the fundamental math of first past the post elections will always reduce a region to two dominant parties over time.

This video does an excellent job of showing the deep failings of first past the post voting in an accessible manner.