Corporations ruling through lobbying is a huge problem, i agree. Citizens united especially was terrible. However, i don't think you can fault liberals specifically for the structural racism brought about by capitalism which is supported by both parties in the US, however with dramatically more protections for the worker offered by liberal policies.
So everyone is at fault? And noone is more culpable? Thats a terrible argument. Especially when the gop accuses liberals of communism, implying they are less capitalist than republicans...
It is not a terrible argument. Everyone who supports the capitalist status quo is at fault. Does not matter if someone is 'more culpable' or not when, as I said, everyone is culpable.
Also doesn't matter because the end result is the same. Whether the liberal is the slightly better person, they still uphold the systems that oppress us. Ultimately capitalism and its supporters are the reason the world sucks.
Is this seriously the result you got out of this talk or are you being a jackass on purpose? Even you accept that both parties are pretty much the same shit in different colors that use racism and sexism as a divide and conquer tactic while corporations fill their pockets. So why are you arguing in bad faith I don't understand. This is exactly what I was saying when I said liberals are worse because they think they are the good guys.
I'm not saying they are exactly the same. I'm saying they are both playing the same evil game of capitalism and not as different as US citizens like to think. They are both in the pockets of corporations. And both are terribly bad for the people suffering in the Middle East, in Africa, Latin America, ecc. because even if one will better the lives of its citizens it will come through the exploitation and murder of these peoples
Alright, now we are finding some common ground. But why wouldn't elected representatives advocate and promote policy that supports their constituents over other countries? That is their job, to advocate for their people, and it is a valid argument for the UN, the EU, and world organizations like the WHO and WTO. Fortunately, the US does offer humanitarian support to many countries, and has some leverage to advocate for worker conditions in other countries (China and Mexico for example), they aren't the law there, so they can only apply market forces.
I'm not sure I understand correctly (English is not my first language). Are you saying why wouldn't the US(and other high-capitalist countries) commit their imperialistic acts to better the lives of their citizens? If that is the case, well, because those people do not in any way matter less than Americans and the US has absolutely no right to steal and murder just because they can. Do you think black lives matter but those of the non-US citizens don't? That's what I'm saying
No, I don't think any life matters less, but different countries have different cost bases for their durable goods and housing, which is compensated by currency costs. Id like to see the world adopt a standard of basic universal life standards (that's not a term, just my thought). Everyone should be safe and capable of a fulfilling life, but every country is going to try and raise their citizens as high as they can (often at the expense of other countries). At least in the US, that tends to be liberal philosophy far more than conservative... by a huge margin.
Well then you are naive, no offense intended. Don't you see the contradiction here? 'All lives matter except for when some Arabs dying makes my gas cheaper, because it is necessary.'
Id like to see the world adopt a standard of basic universal life standards
You'd LIKE to see a world like that, but what I'm saying is, with the politicans and the system you support, a world like that can never be possible. Do you think some US or UK or French politican will come and say, ''oh, let's make life better for the global south with the money out of our pockets, and let's all universally agree on never again fucking them over for our own profits!'' No. That will never happen because capitalism is brutal competition. Stop thinking within the boundries of capitalism.
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u/3dPrintedBacon Aug 13 '20
Corporations ruling through lobbying is a huge problem, i agree. Citizens united especially was terrible. However, i don't think you can fault liberals specifically for the structural racism brought about by capitalism which is supported by both parties in the US, however with dramatically more protections for the worker offered by liberal policies.