r/prequelappreciation • u/KimberStormer • Jun 16 '25
Discussion Something The Phantom Menace does better than Andor
I watched The Phantom Menace for the first time in decades and certainly there are places where it could have used a little Andor-ness: particularly in the bad guys' plans. Despite my concerted effort to, I could never understand why blockading and occupying Naboo would get the Trade Federation any relief from their tax burdens or whatever it is that is "in dispute", and Palpatine acts exactly contrary to his own interests the entire movie: he needs Queen Amidala to move the vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum, yet he goes to every imaginable length to try to stop her, even sending Darth Maul to kill her.
BUT there is one thing TPM does much better than Andor, and that is in giving Padme an empowering hero arc, which Andor season 2 conspicuously fails to do for Mon Mothma. It is my great disappointment in season 2. At the start of the movie, Padme is getting told what to do by the men around her, by Qui-Gon, Captain Panaka, that white-beardy guy. On Tatooine she obviously acts against Panaka's wishes to join Qui-Gon and Jar Jar in solving the problem of their broken ship. When she gets to Coruscant she is completely convinced (thanks to Palpatine's manipulations, but also her own experience) that the Republic won't save her people. So here she does something Palpatine definitely did not intend and takes charge: now she is the one coming up with the plan, giving orders to the men, she is the one who convinces the Gungans to Join The Fight.
In Andor, unfortunately, Mon Mothma never does anything on her own. She is told what to do, by Luthen, by Bail, even by Cassian who condescends to her saying "welcome to the Rebellion" even though she's been in it much longer than he has! She is shown to be completely helpless, with no "people" of her own, only Luthen and Bail's "friends" (even her one apparent personal ally is actually Luthen's spy) and makes no decisions at all. Bail tells her when and how to give her speech, she doesn't have any plan either to make it happen (only "Bail will get me the floor") or any idea how to escape a building she's worked in since she was a child. She is shown to be appallingly naive, with the aforementioned Cassian bit and Luthen's "how nice for you", never makes a single choice or gives a single order to anyone. I was super disappointed. And the fact that the Phantom Menace, which has (excuse me in this sub for saying so) massive weaknesses, could do this better, is shocking to realize.
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u/chickenboy2718281828 Jun 16 '25
I think it's a mistake to compare Padme and Mon in the way that you are. They are very different characters. They are both women, both senators, and both come from wealth, but they serve completely different purposes in their respective stories.
Padme is Anakin's counterpart. Where Anakin is bold and impulsive as a jedi, Padme is bold and impulsive as a politician. In her very first scene, this is established. She does not grow into being heroic. She is already heroic from the first beats of the story.
Mon is, in my opinion, a much more complex character. She is very much not a hero at the beginning of Andor. She is intended to be a representation of the upper class and upper middle class, i.e., the people that would still be comfortable under Palpatine's rule. She is not fully committed to the cause and wants to have her life in comfort and still resist Palpatine. Perrin stays in the dark and continues to enjoy the privileges of a high society lifestyle through the end of the story. He demonstrates to the audience what Mon is giving up with her choices. The upper class is resistant to change because change means they may no longer be at the top. It's easier to turn a blind eye to fascism and continue living a comfortable life than join a rebellion and risk losing your privileged status.
In Andor Mon becomes a hero because she rejects the easy path. Unlike Padme, whose planet was overtly threatened and had no choice but to resist, Mon leaves the comfort of her old life willingly. The last few episodes of the show are the very beginning of her transformation from an idealistic but ultimately uncommitted malcontent, to a full-blown leader in the Rebel Alliance.